I keep forgetting that admin mode on many servers is just a way to raise money. I was back on the same server and the same chaos was occuring. I went spectate, but unfortunately I PLAY not SPECTATE, so I guess there are tricks that I dont know. For example, when I spectate, I have to pick a person to spectate. That person gets fried and goes back to spawn. I have to then switch to console to try to figure out who killed the person I was using to specate or try to cycle through players to find someone who's still in the ring. By then, as I observed several times, people start to defend themselves or retaliate, and we end up with mass chaos. Based on digitalshot's reply. the rule about not shooting is not really a rule except for when players are gambling on the outcome. I guess, due to the years I spent in the military, I tend to forget that civvy regs arent necessarily adhered too, even by the people who are supposed to enforce them. Thanks to you both for taking the time to reply. I'll go back to playing and when there are people trolling the ring by shooting into the ring from outside, or just playing W+m1 pyro, and players are screaming for an admin to boot/ban someone, I'll let remind them that they need to be playing for items for no shooting to apply.