My Questions

[ricky2442]

Every now and then there are a few questions that always crop up in my mind, hopefully someone can answer them.

 

 

 

1. Warday at anytime? Answered

 

I and many others have probably noticed that when the CT's are dieing, they decide to have a warday. For example, imagine T's are stacked at the bottem of cell stair case and get a weapon, the T with the weapon completely annihilates the CT's. Lead then says "Warday on top VIP"; as CT's try helplessly get up to VIP masses of T's are freekilled.

I think lead should be restricted to only giving wardays before cell doors open, otherwise this will continue to occur.

 

Course of Action Taken:: MOTD rule on wardays has been edited. "War days must be called immediately at the round's beginning."

 

 

 

2. Anyone can give lead? Answered

 

I know I've asked this before, but I would like to express my feeling on this. Firsly, I think it's weird that only lead CT can give orders, yet, other CT's can tell T's to drop there gun. I wouldn't say this was wrong right away; however, which ever order I seem to follow, I die. For example, lead CT orders "All T's take one step out of your cell, face your backwall and freeze." Then another CT walks up to the T outside usp cell and also orders the T too "Throw the usp to the top of cells." Now at this point I don't know what to do at times, if I throw the gun on top of cells I will be killed for moving, not frozen as told by lead. But if I stay frozen the CT that told me to throw my usp on top of cells will kill me.

I think that only lead should be able to give orders at any time, if there is something that another CT would like to do why can't he ask lead?

 

Explanation :: People are pretty good about allowing T's to drop guns without being killed. If any CT asks you to drop a gun or dispose of it, you must listen and other CTs may not kill you.

 

 

3.1 Last Reaction Answered

 

Im going straight to the point here. If lead CT says "Last reaction crouch" and I jump, but quick to mend and not last to crouch, do I still get killed? I find it quite annoying when this happens because they CT's are too lazy to see whos last, so they shoot whos first to jump. For example, a few hours ago when there was 4 T's left lead CT said "Last Reaction Crouch", 2 jumped including me. I wasn't first to jump yet I still got killed, above all after i got killed, there was a T still standing up.

Are CT's really allowed to kill the first person that does it wrong over the last person to do it correctly?

Explanation :: Technically, anyone who did an incorrect thing (jumped, spun, flashlighted, etc) should be killed and not the last person. You did not follow orders at all. CTs can kill multiple people who did the wrong thing.

 

 

 

3.2 Last Reaction Answered

 

If there was a T rebelling and the CT's knew about there where abouts, should CT's continue to play games such as last/first reaction or evil simon?

I am not supposedly againest this, I just want to see other peoples views on this.

 

Explanation :: They can keep playing games, but they should find the rebel. They CANNOT however, ignore the rebeller, play games until LR, and allow the rebel to be one of the LRers. That is not permitted. They must leave two of the players alive and then find the rebeller.

 

 

4. Baiting Answered

 

I think that baiting needs to be explained more indepth in the motd. Right now the definition for baiting stands as CT' may not "do things that force the T's to rebel or get them killed". Many CT's think that if they don't bait purposefully then it isn't really baiting. For example, when T's are taking one step out of their cell, a CT might want to check if there is a guy hiding at VIP pool. They go in but accidently get knifed on the back. Other people might count that as baiting but he was probably just trying to help out. Another example is a CT trying to clear a weapon away, but gets rushed and knifed; however in this context he might be forgived which isn't really fair because deep down they both wanted to help.

If there was a more indepth definition of baiting in the motd then this wouldn't occur, even if it did the fault would be entirely on him for not reading the motd thoroughly before joining CT.

Explanation :: If a CT goes into a cell, and a T knifes, the T is a rebel. There is no baiting involved. I personally think the explanation is thorough and leaves little exceptions. We could explain every damn situation that is considered to be baiting, but that would add 400 lines to the MOTD

 

 

 

5. CT's accepting Last Reqests Answered

 

Back when the old hosties plugin was created, there was no rule that rebellers were no longer considered rebellers once it was LR. Therefore a CT needed to accept a T's LR if they were considered a rebel. However, now there is a rule which does state that, therefore I do not see any point for the LR confirmation. What usually happens is that a T spends 30 seconds just looking for someone to accept there LR, this wastes pointless time and pretty much bores everyone to death.

If this were to be removed it would save everyone the time and effort.

Course of Action Taken :: Last Request confirmation has been removed.

 

 

 

6. CT's decision for solitary confinement? Answered

 

There is no where in motd that suggests lead CT is supposed to give a solitary freeday. The only part of the motd which mentions anything about solitary confinement is quoted "This means you cannot target a player and give them a freeday (unless they were freekilled on LR) nor can you make only one person do an exercise day, for example." Dispite this I have seen various admins demanding solitary freeday both through admin chat and microphone.

Does a CT have to give a solitary freeday if a T is freekilled on LR, or is it his decision? I think that either no one or everyone gets a solitary freeday when there killed on LR; otherwise it would be favouritism or/and anti-favouritism to others. I would like a staff, council or the jailbreak warden to clear this up please.

Explanation :: They do not need to give some sort of a freeday to people killed on LR.

Edited February 17, 2010 by ricky2442

[Splizes]

Not that my opinions mean jack shit at all nor were you asking for them, by I'm opinionated and going to share my thoughts .

 

1. Warday at anytime?

I never really recognized the freekilling that giving this order entails o.O. However, now that you mention it, it makes sense and I support think that this should be banned as well because in all honesty if the lead is bad enough to need to resort to a war day it might as well be a "freeday". I think this is more to do with bad lead CTs because even if there is a gunplant there are many leads that I know that would be able to resolve the situation by a simple "touch the boxes face the boxes and never look away from your destination" command.

So +1 banned.

 

2. Anyone can give lead?

Once again I second your opinion on this. Although the reason people are freekilled due to this is either because of a lousy lead CT (whose first priority should be gun cell) or mic spammers. The later should be taken care of by the admins however a lot of us have trouble identifying who are the spammers and who are asking legit questions. I'm not sure where the "any CT can order a T to drop a gun" came about, but I do not believe it is official (like people saying workout day is banned), I believe a better approach to this would be the CT telling lead to make him drop it.

 

3.1 Last Reaction

I'm 90% certain that I've heard from a staff that it is still the last one to crouch that should die. However since they are technically not following orders by jumping I believe they should be killed, it's kind of like not jumping when the order is to jump all the offenders should be killed.

 

3.2 Last Reaction

I think it is fine to continue the game so long as you can trust your CT team. However I do not think it is fine for lead to go hide out like a pussy somewhere.

 

4. Baiting

Where to begin lolz:

I think "do things that force the T's to rebel or get them killed" is way to large of a blanket definition and should not be used. (By this definition ordering a T to do a warday is baiting lolz)

Just off the top of my head...

Baiting:

Any unordered action that results in a CT being killed due to their own action.

ie:

• Standing in a transit path of Ts
  
• Going in to the cages when they are still there
  
• Being in a T designated area
  
• Ect
  

5. CT's accepting Last Reqests

Dear god please make the CTs accept the custom LRs I cannot tell you how many times this has fucked over my whole LR.

6. CT's decision for solitary confinement?

I've always taken it as if you are freekilled on an LR you get a freeday, it's only logical. If you were not freekilled on an LR you do not get a solitary day, and why would you? You didn't survive until the end.

[ricky2442]

Not that my opinions mean jack shit at all nor were you asking for them, by I'm opinionated and going to share my thoughts .

 

Thanks, everyones opinion is vaild for me.

 

 

Dear god please make the CTs accept the custom LRs I cannot tell you how many times this has fucked over my whole LR.

 

I was just talking about normal LR's. not custom LRs here. I don't actually know if you accidently typed custom LRs or if you didnt understand what I wrote.

Edited February 16, 2010 by ricky2442

[Splizes]

^Yah I accidentally typed custom... Sorry all that discussion about them wont leave my brainnnnn.

[ricky2442]

I thought as much

[Cr(+)sshair]

The permission to do LR is out!

[Splizes]

^Thats how shit should be done, lolz.

[ricky2442]

The permission to do LR is out!

 

Thanks Crosshair <3

[Slazenger]

Every now and then there are a few questions that always crop up in my mind, hopefully someone can answer them.

 

 

 

1. Warday at anytime? Unanswered

 

I and many others have probably noticed that when the CT's are dieing, they decide to have a warday. For example, imagine T's are stacked at the bottem of cell stair case and get a weapon, the T with the weapon completely annihilates the CT's. Lead then says "Warday on top VIP"; as CT's try helplessly get up to VIP masses of T's are freekilled.

I think lead should be restricted to only giving wardays before cell doors open, otherwise this will continue to occur.

 

Wardays are only allowed at the beginning. It is the first order to be given (other than freeze) and it cannot be canceled.

 

I just edited the MOTD and made the War Day section more explicit:

<li><b>War Day</b> - When a war day is called, all CTs must assemble in an area designated by the lead CT and let the Ts out of their cells. Ts go to armory and get guns, and then both teams attempt to kill the other. CTs may NOT camp armory when Ts go to get guns and the may NOT be within visual range of the armory door. War days must be called immediately at the round's beginning. Time limits for the start of the war may be given. War days cannot be started mid-round, nor can they be canceled.</li>

2. Anyone can give lead? Unanswered

 

I know I've asked this before, but I would like to express my feeling on this. Firsly, I think it's weird that only lead CT can give orders, yet, other CT's can tell T's to drop there gun. I wouldn't say this was wrong right away; however, which ever order I seem to follow, I die. For example, lead CT orders "All T's take one step out of your cell, face your backwall and freeze." Then another CT walks up to the T outside usp cell and also orders the T too "Throw the usp to the top of cells." Now at this point I don't know what to do at times, if I throw the gun on top of cells I will be killed for moving, not frozen as told by lead. But if I stay frozen the CT that told me to throw my usp on top of cells will kill me.

I think that only lead should be able to give orders at any time, if there is something that another CT would like to do why can't he ask lead?

 

 

People are pretty good about allowing T's to drop guns without being killed. If any CT asks you to drop a gun or dispose of it, you must listen and other CTs may not kill you.

3.1 Last Reaction Unanswered

 

Im going straight to the point here. If lead CT says "Last reaction crouch" and I jump, but quick to mend and not last to crouch, do I still get killed? I find it quite annoying when this happens because they CT's are too lazy to see whos last, so they shoot whos first to jump. For example, a few hours ago when there was 4 T's left lead CT said "Last Reaction Crouch", 2 jumped including me. I wasn't first to jump yet I still got killed, above all after i got killed, there was a T still standing up.

Are CT's really allowed to kill the first person that does it wrong over the last person to do it correctly?

 

Technically, anyone who did an incorrect thing (jumped, spun, flashlighted, etc) should be killed and not the last person. You did not follow orders at all. CTs can kill multiple people who did the wrong thing.

 

 

3.2 Last Reaction Unanswered

 

If there was a T rebelling and the CT's knew about there where abouts, should CT's continue to play games such as last/first reaction or evil simon?

I am not supposedly againest this, I just want to see other peoples views on this.

 

 

They can keep playing games, but they should find the rebel. They CANNOT however, ignore the rebeller, play games until LR, and allow the rebel to be one of the LRers. That is not permitted. They must leave two of the players alive and then find the rebeller.

 

4. Baiting Unanswered

 

I think that baiting needs to be explained more indepth in the motd. Right now the definition for baiting stands as CT' may not "do things that force the T's to rebel or get them killed". Many CT's think that if they don't bait purposefully then it isn't really baiting. For example, when T's are taking one step out of their cell, a CT might want to check if there is a guy hiding at VIP pool. They go in but accidently get knifed on the back. Other people might count that as baiting but he was probably just trying to help out. Another example is a CT trying to clear a weapon away, but gets rushed and knifed; however in this context he might be forgived which isn't really fair because deep down they both wanted to help.

If there was a more indepth definition of baiting in the motd then this wouldn't occur, even if it did the fault would be entirely on him for not reading the motd thoroughly before joining CT.

 

If a CT goes into a cell, and a T knifes, the T is a rebel. There is no baiting involved. I personally think the explanation is thorough and leaves little exceptions. We could explain every damn situation that is considered to be baiting, but that would add 400 lines to the MOTD.

 

 

5. CT's accepting Last Reqests Unanswered

 

Back when the old hosties plugin was created, there was no rule that rebellers were no longer considered rebellers once it was LR. Therefore a CT needed to accept a T's LR if they were considered a rebel. However, now there is a rule which does state that, therefore I do not see any point for the LR confirmation. What usually happens is that a T spends 30 seconds just looking for someone to accept there LR, this wastes pointless time and pretty much bores everyone to death.

If this were to be removed it would save everyone the time and effort.

 

 

Brought it up to Crosshair and he fixed it.

 

 

6. CT's decision for solitary confinement? Unanswered

 

There is no where in motd that suggests lead CT is supposed to give a solitary freeday. The only part of the motd which mentions anything about solitary confinement is quoted "This means you cannot target a player and give them a freeday (unless they were freekilled on LR) nor can you make only one person do an exercise day, for example." Dispite this I have seen various admins demanding solitary freeday both through admin chat and microphone.

Does a CT have to give a solitary freeday if a T is freekilled on LR, or is it his decision? I think that either no one or everyone gets a solitary freeday when there killed on LR; otherwise it would be favouritism or/and anti-favouritism to others. I would like a staff, council or the jailbreak warden to clear this up please.

 

They do not need to give some sort of a freeday to people killed on LR.

 

 

There is to be no favoritism towards certain players nor is there to be "Anti-Favoritism" (singling out players -for revenge or other). This means you cannot target a player and give them a freeday (unless they were freekilled on LR) nor can you make only one person do an exercise day, for example. You must give freedays to freekilled Terrorists only if they were freekilled on LR.

 

Hope that clears it up.

[bigjohnMS]

i think that ct baiting and those issues should be cleared up also if another ct kills they should be slayed and been along time that cts have been slayed for breaking the rules. This is my opion and yall know i play probally more than most of yall lol

[ricky2442]

Thanks Slazenger for the quick response

 

 

They can keep playing games, but they should find the rebel. They CANNOT however, ignore the rebeller, play games until LR, and allow the rebel to be one of the LRers. That is not permitted. They must leave two of the players alive and then find the rebeller.

 

You might want to add this into motd or something because the other day this same thing happened and admins said it wasn't freekilling, I don't think anyone is aware of this rule.

 

 

 

If a CT goes into a cell, and a T knifes, the T is a rebel. There is no baiting involved.

 

I've seen people kicked and banned for this, you might want to clear it up with the admins.

[Siphaed]

Thanks Slazenger for the quick response

 

They can keep playing games, but they should find the rebel. They CANNOT however, ignore the rebeller, play games until LR, and allow the rebel to be one of the LRers. That is not permitted. They must leave two of the players alive and then find the rebeller.

 

 

You might want to add this into motd or something because the other day this same thing happened and admins said it wasn't freekilling, I don't think anyone is aware of this rule.

 

 

If a CT goes into a cell, and a T knifes, the T is a rebel. There is no baiting involved.

 

 

 

I've seen people kicked and banned for this, you might want to clear it up with the admins.

 

Well, the first part you quoted I did not know about either (glad I read this then), as I admittedly did this once yesterday by allowing a single rebel to survive and LR while I ordered the remaining T's to continue Obstacle. However, there were 3 T's on the obstacle at the time and 2 died at once making it LR between the remaining T and the rebeller.

 

 

As for the 2nd one, I was unaware of this as well and have also seen people kicked and banned for "baiting" when passing through Lower VIP to check the pool in there for rebellers. But, I do agree that any T that does attack the CT in Lower VIP is a rebeller because 19 times out of 20 they're under the order of "Freeze" and shouldn't be moving, even knifing, in the 1st place. HOWEVER, I must say, most of the time the Lead CT tells the rest of the CTs to stay out of Lower VIP to not risk dying and giving the T's some guns..... I wonder how that plays out when they're told to not do it and they do it, is that ruining the game and worthy of a kick/temp ban?