tarp question

[Sock]

So the lead ct gave the order of " go inside big cage when I say go". He then gave a new order of pick one of the 4 main corners. Then he said he was going to ask a trivia question but then he said go before the question. It's a good tarp but I don't think its legit.

 

1. If it was legit then the lead ct would only have to say no detours or delays once as that would stand the whole round.

2. All orders would actually stand all round.

3. He tried to use the excuse that lead ct will say last reaction jump while people are racing. This is not the same because the last reaction order was after the race order.

4. Leads will actually tarp "when I say go, crouch to big cage." Then they will say "ok start to blah" and then kill people that went. According to the tarp in question, that would mean that the ts should still go even though he didn't say go.

5. A lead ct could say "when I say go crouch to balh" and then go off on other stuff than later say, "alright go to first tier". Not many people would remember, especially because the second order sounds legit.

Edited February 20, 2010 by Sock

[Siphaed]

Sounds like a bit of a fuckup on the CT's part. The real question is what was the time between when he said "when I say 'go'" and when he actually said "go"? If it was like, 15-30sec, then it could seem perfectly legit,...but if it was like over 45sec to a minute....well, fuck, he screwed up big time. Also, did he said "go to one of the 4 main corners" or "get into one of the 4 main corners"? And, to further question the situation, did he really say "going to ask a trivia question", because that's saying "go" but also has an effect on the time difference between each section of the order given.

 

PARANOIA IS SANITY!

[Sock]

I really just want to get at that it makes all tarp such as "when I say go take one step out of your cell" and then the lead says "start". That would make start a legit command.

[RaptorJesus]

1.Almost all your order can be legit for the whole round, When u tell the ts at the begining of the round, No armory, its legit for the whole round isnt it(unless lead dies). Also when u tell the ts not to delay or detour, its aplicable to the order u game as:" all ts crouch to big cage no delay no detour AND it aint aplicable for the whole round because it only means they cant detour or delay thier way to somewhere, Also u could give an order like this:"All ts no more jumping for the rest of the round Unless I give you the permission.(cant u?) When i tell them" when i say "GO" u go crouch to the inside of the big cage without delaying or detouring that is only applicable on my "GO" order and not on the whole round.

When u tell ts to crouch/run/crouchwalk/walk somewhere without delaying or detouring its aplicable on the order u gave that means everytime u will tell ts to go somewhere u "reset" the No delay detour order u gave since it was on the Previous direction order u gave.It aint the same situation.

 

2. My first point says enough

 

3. This aint what i said, Let me explain myselft.

My example is, If you tell all the ts :"when i say "GO" you will crouch to the bottom of the cell startcases without delaying or detouring" You can then tell someone to drop his gun without canceling your order, Also U can tell the guy in first cell to move to second cell , You could even tell all the ts to jump/crouch/move/ before u actualy say "GO", They aint disobeying your order if they move to any new location you tell them to go as long as they dont go to bottom cell starcaises(since u didnt say "GO")Where u could actualy kill them.

 

Also my race example was

Example: Ts are at races stalls u tell them" All ts when i say "GO" you will run, toggle a race beacon, And come back to your stall without delaying or detouring" And b4 you say "GO" you can play last reaction/first Reaction, You can tell them to face s4s wall, you could tell them to spray thier spray on the wall behind them, As long as you dont say "GO" they cant start the race.

 

4. your fourth point aint logical, If lead ct tell them to do go somewhere, As long as its not where he told them to go when he says "GO" they can move to that point without disobeying CT lead orders.If they move to where ct lead told them to go when he says "GO" then they will be killed since they falled for the tarp he made because he didnt say "GO"

AGAIN, IF THEY AINT DOING WHAT LEAD CT SAID THEY HAD TO DO WHEN HE TELLS THEM "GO" AND CT LEAD NEVER SAID "GO" cts cannot kill any ts.

 

5. Isnt that the tarp? If you are listening well to lead ct, you would not fall for the tarp, u just wait till the moment lead ct says "GO" and then you can go where he told you to go when he says "GO" It aint a word tarp, Its a normal and legit tarp.

[Epic Vagina]

its seems fine to me

[Sock]

1.Almost all your order can be legit for the whole round, When u tell the ts at the begining of the round, No armory, its legit for the whole round isnt it(unless lead dies). Also when u tell the ts not to delay or detour, its aplicable to the order u game as:" all ts crouch to big cage no delay no detour AND it aint aplicable for the whole round because it only means they cant detour or delay thier way to somewhere, Also u could give an order like this:"All ts no more jumping for the rest of the round Unless I give you the permission.(cant u?) When i tell them" when i say "GO" u go crouch to the inside of the big cage without delaying or detouring that is only applicable on my "GO" order and not on the whole round.

When u tell ts to crouch/run/crouchwalk/walk somewhere without delaying or detouring its aplicable on the order u gave that means everytime u will tell ts to go somewhere u "reset" the No delay detour order u gave since it was on the Previous direction order u gave.It aint the same situation.

Just because they can doesn't mean they are. Lead cts still say no detours or delays after every round. No jumping also has to be said after every command. No detours or delays is not said the same way every time. Some people said it before the command, some in the middle, and some at the end. As for saying no jumping for the whole round, I believe it is not the same as saying go as jumping usually isn't a command given(unless last reaction). It is simple an action used to complete commands.

 

 

 

3. This aint what i said, Let me explain myselft.

My example is, If you tell all the ts :"when i say "GO" you will crouch to the bottom of the cell startcases without delaying or detouring" You can then tell someone to drop his gun without canceling your order, Also U can tell the guy in first cell to move to second cell , You could even tell all the ts to jump/crouch/move/ before u actualy say "GO", They aint disobeying your order if they move to any new location you tell them to go as long as they dont go to bottom cell starcaises(since u didnt say "GO")Where u could actualy kill them.

Telling one person to do something is not the same as telling everyone to do something. The problem is people use the fact go was not said to tarp people. See 4th answer.

 

Also my race example was

Example: Ts are at races stalls u tell them" All ts when i say "GO" you will run, toggle a race beacon, And come back to your stall without delaying or detouring" And b4 you say "GO" you can play last reaction/first Reaction, You can tell them to face s4s wall, you could tell them to spray thier spray on the wall behind them, As long as you dont say "GO" they cant start the race.

Last reaction is specifally in the motd to say it can be done at any time. No lead tell people when I say go start the race, and then has the spray their spray and then says go. No one does that.

 

4. your fourth point aint logical, If lead ct tell them to do go somewhere, As long as its not where he told them to go when he says "GO" they can move to that point without disobeying CT lead orders.If they move to where ct lead told them to go when he says "GO" then they will be killed since they falled for the tarp he made because he didnt say "GO"

AGAIN, IF THEY AINT DOING WHAT LEAD CT SAID THEY HAD TO DO WHEN HE TELLS THEM "GO" AND CT LEAD NEVER SAID "GO" cts cannot kill any ts.

This is not what happens in the server. Your logic does not depend on the second action. You are saying that if You say "when I say go blah blah" and then do a second action they have to do it. It doesn't mater what the second order is. If your saying a second action can be given then it can be the same as the first and therefor mus be done.

5. Isnt that the tarp? If you are listening well to lead ct, you would not fall for the tarp, u just wait till the moment lead ct says "GO" and then you can go where he told you to go when he says "GO" It aint a word tarp, Its a normal and legit tarp.

My logic here was the time.

 

If lead ct says "when I say go crouch to big cage" and then says go. After the ts get to big cage the lead ct says go to the boxes.... does that mean they shouldn't do it because he said go so they should crouch to big cage?

[Sock]

Another thing I thought about.

 

Lead ct says "when I say go crouch to big cage." Then he may says start, begin, or "do this now". All these commands still mean that the ts should go. Whats makes "run to obstacle" not equal to "do this now" as word or saying that is not the correct word "go"?

[Siphaed]

Another thing I thought about.

 

Lead ct says "when I say go crouch to big cage." Then he may says start, begin, or "do this now". All these commands still mean that the ts should go. Whats makes "run to obstacle" not equal to "do this now" as word or saying that is not the correct word "go"?

 

Just to clarify, there is a MAJOR difference between "when I say go" and "when I say the word 'go' ", and that's specifying whether or not they're to go in general or to go on a specific word. Although this leads to confusion in that some thing that the lead CT is actually supposed to say the entire specific phrace "the word go" instead of just "go" because it reads off as sounding as "When I say: 'the word go', crouch to the Big Cage." instead of "When I say the word: 'go', crouch to the Big Cage."

 

It's all a matter of semantics and too much anal retentiveness.

[RaptorJesus]

Just because they can doesn't mean they are. Lead cts still say no detours or delays after every round. No jumping also has to be said after every command. No detours or delays is not said the same way every time. Some people said it before the command, some in the middle, and some at the end. As for saying no jumping for the whole round, I believe it is not the same as saying go as jumping usually isn't a command given(unless last reaction). It is simple an action used to complete commands.

 

-That aint against what i said, when i give this order : "All ts when i say "GO" you will run to the inside of the big cage " I still Tell them that it has to be done without delaying or detouring once i will say it.

 

 

-I also gave an example about Telling everyone to do something As last reaction/first reaction And not just telling one guy to drop his gun.

If in motd it says I can do last reaction at anytime in the game does that me i can only do my tarp by doing a first reaction/last reaction b4 i say "GO"?

 

-Nothing in MOTD is against My tarp.

 

-After reviewing my own tarp, I figured you cant tell someone to crouch to big cage as you say "GO" And then say All ts "GO" to solitary since I will be giving them 2 contractional orders.(As crouching to big cage AND going to solitary.My tarp, Whatsoever , Is still legit if i tell one guy to "GO" to the bottom of the big cage, Saying that everyone has to do the same thing.

 

-Siphaed

Saying the word "GO" is diferent then when i say : When i say "GO", Since my order only start when I say: "THE WORD GO". There aint any major diference. Its 2 diferent things i could say , But if i said: When i say "the word go" Then they would not be alowed to go as I say "GO" since i didnt say "the word go" But if the order was : When i say "GO" then you are alowed to folow the order no matter what situation As long as i say "GO" (Unless I give a contradictional order while using the word "GO" witch i aint alowed to do)

 

 

-Its not because no one does something I cant. I aint breaking any MOTD rules.

I am also inviting Anyone doing this tarp, Theres alwways 4 or 5 that doesnt fall for it.

 

 

I was refering to Point 4 As i said Its unlogical to kill people doing a DIRECT ORDER after ordering ts to do something when u say "GO" . If u didnt say "GO" they aint suposed to do the order you told them to do when u say "GO" BUT still Have to do any other direct order.

[Epic Vagina]

ok well until slazanger or a staff member can read this there is no more point of arguing

[JuIcY]

i miss old JB when there were no stupid tarps

[ricky2442]

i miss old JB when there were no stupid tarps

 

I don't really see the point in tarps. Jailbreak is meant to be fun; tarps are a cheap and boring way to get rid of T's as fast as possible. I think that CT's are missing the point and think that there only goal is to get to Last Request as fast as possible.

[Sock]

Just to clarify, there is a MAJOR difference between "when I say go" and "when I say the word 'go' ", and that's specifying whether or not they're to go in general or to go on a specific word. Although this leads to confusion in that some thing that the lead CT is actually supposed to say the entire specific phrace "the word go" instead of just "go" because it reads off as sounding as "When I say: 'the word go', crouch to the Big Cage." instead of "When I say the word: 'go', crouch to the Big Cage."

 

It's all a matter of semantics and too much anal retentiveness.

 

I don't see a difference. Leads will say "When I say the magical word go" all the time. This is like saying "when I say go".

 

In the server if you say it either way, people will do the same thing.

[Sock]

Just because they can doesn't mean they are. Lead cts still say no detours or delays after every round. No jumping also has to be said after every command. No detours or delays is not said the same way every time. Some people said it before the command, some in the middle, and some at the end. As for saying no jumping for the whole round, I believe it is not the same as saying go as jumping usually isn't a command given(unless last reaction). It is simple an action used to complete commands.

 

-That aint against what i said, when i give this order : "All ts when i say "GO" you will run to the inside of the big cage " I still Tell them that it has to be done without delaying or detouring once i will say it.

You say it because all the other times you said it are invalid.

 

 

-I also gave an example about Telling everyone to do something As last reaction/first reaction And not just telling one guy to drop his gun.

If in motd it says I can do last reaction at anytime in the game does that me i can only do my tarp by doing a first reaction/last reaction b4 i say "GO"?

Last reaction is a game, "go to cage" is an order. Once again, calling last reaction during a race is not the same as what you did.

 

-Nothing in MOTD is against My tarp.

How the server works right now does not allow for your tarp to be played correctly.

-After reviewing my own tarp, I figured you cant tell someone to crouch to big cage as you say "GO" And then say All ts "GO" to solitary since I will be giving them 2 contractional orders.(As crouching to big cage AND going to solitary.My tarp, Whatsoever , Is still legit if i tell one guy to "GO" to the bottom of the big cage, Saying that everyone has to do the same thing.

Maybe

 

-Siphaed

Saying the word "GO" is diferent then when i say : When i say "GO", Since my order only start when I say: "THE WORD GO". There aint any major diference. Its 2 diferent things i could say , But if i said: When i say "the word go" Then they would not be alowed to go as I say "GO" since i didnt say "the word go" But if the order was : When i say "GO" then you are alowed to folow the order no matter what situation As long as i say "GO" (Unless I give a contradictional order while using the word "GO" witch i aint alowed to do)

 

-Its not because no one does something I cant. I aint breaking any MOTD rules.

I am also inviting Anyone doing this tarp, Theres alwways 4 or 5 that doesnt fall for it.

It contradicts what other lead cts do.

 

 

I was refering to Point 4 As i said Its unlogical to kill people doing a DIRECT ORDER after ordering ts to do something when u say "GO" . If u didnt say "GO" they aint suposed to do the order you told them to do when u say "GO" BUT still Have to do any other direct order.

The server doesn't work that way right now.

[Ice Tea]

"When I say go run to big cage."

"All Cts go now."

***Cts kill all T's off confusion***

leadct: "Fucking Cts!"

[ricky2442]

In my opinion I think this is a stupid tarp and it should be banned; I don't see how creating new tarps will make the server more popular. If you actually notice every time a lead CT does do a stupid tarp like this, a few people will rage quit in frustration.

 

 

What I mean by a stupid tarp?

 

Lead CT :: All T's when I say go you will crouch to the top of big cage, no detour or delays, do this now.

 

At this point if T's comply the order they will be considered rebel and will be killed. Now it doesn't take a genius to figure out why this is a stupid order; lead just told the T's to follow the order "Do this now" so why do they get killed for it?

Edited February 20, 2010 by ricky2442

[bort]

i always die on these. they say go but i dont think its the real go so i stay and then i get shot.

 

The problem isn't just that the T's are confused by the order, but the CT's are confused as well. and half of them will kill you even if you really were correctly going or not going.

 

And even worse, sometimes the lead CT is too stupid to understand his own order and will kill the people who see the trap and don't go.

Edited February 20, 2010 by bort

[ricky2442]

Glad to see someone else agrees, I think there should be an in-depth discussion/poll to see wether this should be banned or not.

[RaptorJesus]

If we remove the go tarp then we shoud remove the right to tarp, Actualy the main goal of the tarp is to tell the ts to go only when you say go, So when u say do this now no delay no detour that means, DO THIS ORDER, NO DELAY NO DETOUR, if they aintdoing it that means they are folowing the order . If they are doing it , That means they aint folowing the order u gave them, Simple ass tarp, I dont even know why people fall for it, And here its a question of a simple GO tarp, not a word game like: when i say the magical word go.

[ricky2442]

As explained above, jailbreak is supposed to be a fun game, tarps take the fun away. If we had to choose between a fun, enjoyable and populated server over a boring, tarpy and empty server what would you choose?

[Sock]

If we remove the go tarp then we shoud remove the right to tarp, Actualy the main goal of the tarp is to tell the ts to go only when you say go, So when u say do this now no delay no detour that means, DO THIS ORDER, NO DELAY NO DETOUR, if they aintdoing it that means they are folowing the order . If they are doing it , That means they aint folowing the order u gave them, Simple ass tarp, I dont even know why people fall for it, And here its a question of a simple GO tarp, not a word game like: when i say the magical word go.

 

I'm not asking for the go tarp to be removed. I'm asking for your tarp that contradicts the go tarp to be banned.

 

Other people seem to dislike the go tarp as well.

[RaptorJesus]

I would not play Jb if i wasnt able to tarp lul

[RaptorJesus]

My tarp doesnt contratict the go tarp whata re u talking about?

[Siphaed]

I'm not asking for the go tarp to be removed. I'm asking for your tarp that contradicts the go tarp to be banned.

 

Other people seem to dislike the go tarp as well.

 

Actually, Sock, by read of what your initial issue is and the problem presented, you're asking that they establish a time-limit that gives maximum of when you can say "go" after giving the order so as to not 'tarp' and confuse everyone within the game. And I agree, there SHOULD be a time-limit of either 30sec to 1min of a maximum that the word has to be said or the order is null in void.

[Sock]

No, i want it removed as I said the command was "not legit".