List of Topics discussed in JB meeting, 3/28

[CubanCarlos]

~NOTE~

All topics marked with the * symbol are topics that are being looked at/fixed by Crosshair.

 

With the new lead CT plugin, after lead CT dies, how does one become the new Lead CT?

 

Automatically slay CTs in armory after 30 secs

 

Admin trials before buying admin, having a test or application, etc

 

Stop spamming, talking to much in a certain amount of time = auto-mute

 

Auto mute any player who is talking while lead CT is talking

 

More than 5 people on mic at a time, they get auto muted

 

Admin vs. Admin abuse, (what to do in cases where another admin is abusing you or using their powers against you)

 

Dead people talking/interacting with other dead people (using mic)

 

* CT-List

 

* Bomb mod, lots of spam and confusion when bomb goes off. (the loud noise)

 

Having Lead CT dead message when lead CT dies.

 

Trial admin succesion:

1. single mute and slay

2. Kick and all mute

3. full admin (not trusted) bans, sprays, etc.

 

* Freekill prevention; kinks with glock. (Last CT getting glock needs to stop)

 

* Buy bombs + smokes or other nades.

 

* LR glitches, speed knives, low grav, rolling over unto next round.

 

Player needing to have played atleast two hours before becoming a CT

 

Rebels get money everytime they kill a CT, depending on how much money they get, they can buy bombs or nades.

 

Kosire making map. Donations may be needed to cover the cost.

 

First person to talk gets lead CT plugin

 

MOTD agreement (someone needs to click accept before they can play)

no need, MOTD is already displayed once you arrive in the server.

 

Smokes sticking Ts (also, part of the plugin crosshair said he was going to do, was smoke grenades acting like tear gas, damaging CTs)

 

An Admin questionnaire, need to pass with 10 questions in order to be able to buy admin.

 

Application for JailBreak admin with Council/Staff/Slazenger/(me maybe? LOL <3)

 

Admin techniques

Refer to Slazenger's JailBreak Admin Guidelines thread:

https://hellsgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17692

Admins are players like everyone else, they have a task to set an example for everyone else and not to abuse. Chat is not to be abused, also stated in Slaz's thread, a quite by Lamp. Admins are not to ghost with their Admin chat either, once you are dead, actually act like you are dead.

 

Teach instead of taking immediate action, don't automatically switch or slay for one freekill, tell the person what they did wrong, and give them a second chance. Chances are, they just missed a line of the motd, and it was most likely accidental.

 

Have new admins be taught by other admins, The new admin receives a seasoned admin as a mentor, and they show them the ropes.

 

Recruit disrespect- If you have a problem with a recruit, do not be an ass about it, tell them what they are doing wrong, and take it to a private place, not publicly like on forums, to prevent from embarrassment. Remember, we were all new once, step inside their shoes, and think what they are thinking. Be friendly!

 

Baiting - If a T has to take a step from their position, and left click you, they are rebelling, and you did not bait. If a T is walking to a destination, and they are knifing, and you walk past them, you did bait, and they are not a rebel.

 

There is a fine line between strictness, and domination, never should there be a member who disconnects from a HellsGamers server, and says they had a bad time because we are all dicks or he didn't like what a member did. Never be afraid to use your admin, Don't be afraid of getting it taken away, if you are in the right, all other admins will back you up. We have much more good admins than bad ones.

 

Don't use your admin power to switch yourself to CT without reason. If you cant switch yourself manually due to the balancer, don't use your admin powers to.

 

Ninja Switch - If you see someone who is not doing their job on CT, or doesn't have a mic, you can switch them, and then take their place by switching yourself over. Be respectful and mindful of the other people on T-side, who have been waiting just as long or longer than you to get in, and don't have admin. Don't abuse this power.

 

 

A big thank you to the following people.

Slazenger: Being the MC (Master of Ceremony) for the meeting, keeping everyone controlled.

 

CubanCarlos: Coming up with this successful idea, writing down all of the notes that you have seen above, and then typing it out for your viewing pleasure.

 

Everyone who attended the meeting- Alot of great ideas were discussed, and many important and valued questions asked and answered, thank you so very much to everyone who came and participated, together, we will bring HG's Jailbreak back to the top!

 

Unfortunately, the recording was unsuccessful, due to its massive size, and Slaz's ignorant roommate screaming the n word throughout it...

 

I look forward to seeing you all back next week, same time, same place. Until then, Stay classy HellsGamers!

 

<3

[Slazenger]

Unfortunately, the recording was unsuccessful, due to its massive size, and Slaz's ignorant roommate screaming the n word throughout it...

 

Which prompted Slaz to say fuck this and I'm no longer rooming with him next year. Those of you who know my situation know it's far, far, far, farrr-- more than that....but good riddance.

 

 

But yeh, if you want to hear the meeting in audio form, let me know. The file's a GB and has a fucking idiot screaming the N-word for a minute in the middle, but other than that it has everything included. *facepalm*

 

 

Thanks guys for coming to the meeting. Keep in mind what we talked about and I'll keep you updated.

[Weeman]

1. there will be no plugin that will slay cts in armory after 30 seconds, at any time a T can get in there and if a CT runs in to kill that T and is slayed, it will cause more problems. unless you can somehow make a script that accounts for these variables?

 

2. there will be NO and i repeat NO admin trials, ever. especially not for a server such as jailbreak.

 

3. auto-mute sounds like a good idea, we have one for hlss, why not for one for people who que mics for longer then 7 seconds? of course lead ct should be exempt from this

 

4. auto mute for when lead is talking is NOT a good idea, what if something important is happening? maybe someones going to stab the lead in the back and your trying to warn him? so no on this

 

5. Admin vs. Admin abuse shouldn't exist, ever. We have guidelines for admin abuse and its not to hard to follow, screenshots and demos are required.

 

6. dead people talking on mic to other dead people will not happen, because its just gonna be YOU FUCKING fa**** YOU FREEKILLED ME SLAY YOURSELF NEXT ROUND, and other yelling on the mic since towards the end of the rounds most people will be dead.

 

7. CT list is a good idea and i believe the bomb's volume should be lowered as well

 

8. lead ct message is a good idea as well

 

9. Like i said, no and i repeat NO trial admin of any sort will ever be created, so take this off your list for next discussion

 

10. freekilling prevention, hey atleast last CT isn't getting kicked or have all guns taken away, but yea if you can find a way to prevent last ct from getting stripped then by all means.

 

11. grenades other then the smoke will never be added into the server, especially the explosive one, just not a good idea if a CT gets a hold of one (ex: oh look a nade, oh look a group of Ts stacked together, LEMMETHROWITATTHEMLOL!)

 

12. yes fix these glitches please

 

13. not a good idea, what if everyone saves up and buys bombs the same round, fucking chaos is what you get

 

14. no on 2 hour minimum requirement, though the ct list could be used to give experienced players a "reserved slot"

 

15. donations for making a map? why do you need donations? i thought we had 2 half finished maps?

 

16. not a good idea with first person who talks gets lead, what if its some fucking stoner whos just giggling into his mic?

 

17. we've had motd agreement ( i think) before and its just the same, people will just spam 1 to get rid of that agreement

 

18. agreed, fix smokes sticking to Ts, might be a noblock issue though

 

19. admin questionnaire sounds good, i think they should have this shit for having children too.

 

 

i answered this as close to chronological order as possible to your points you made.

Edited March 29, 2010 by Weeman

[Hobbes]

Recruit disrespect- If you have a problem with a recruit, do not be an ass about it, tell them what they are doing wrong, and take it to a private place, not publicly like on forums, to prevent from embarrassment. Remember, we were all new once, step inside their shoes, and think what they are thinking. Be friendly

 

This is only for jailbreak, right?

[CubanCarlos]

This is only for jailbreak, right?

 

No...

 

It should be common sense that you treat everyone equally, especially when its in the motd in every server...

[-O-P-rime]

Meeting went okay. Everything needs more thought though.

[Illmatic]

I dont like the lead ct plugin at all. What if the lead passes it to someone else? What if the first person to talk is not even giving orders? And I dont like the automute. What's the point of having an automute if the admins should already be muting spammers? glitches will happen and people who are not really spamming will get muted. A person could be talking, then the lead could start talking on purpose just to mute that person. And automute after talking for a certain time?!?! What about for opinion days like joke?! American Idol?! How are we gonna tell a joke or sing when we will get muted?! Please, please, please don't add this... We have admins for a reason.

 

The only problem with jailbreak that reeeaaally needs to be dealt with is the glocks. It's stupid. We can't play trivia, we can't play fountain or soda jump, we can't epic tarp people, etc. without getting glocks and fucking us over.

[F4ithl3ss]

First person to talk gets lead CT plugin

16. not a good idea with first person who talks gets lead, what if its some fucking stoner whos just giggling into his mic?

 

The idea wasn't to have it as the first person that talked, the idea was to have it as the first person to type !lead in chat. If someone abused the power, they would be kicked by an admin and lead would become open again to anyone that would like to grab it. If someone wants to type !lead, they would have to meet requirements such as having a mic and not being a retard, if not they would be subject to a kick the first time they did it and a ban/ t-list the second time or something like that. When he died, the idea was to have a message go out that he is dead and for one of the cts to type !lead

-Once again I give credit to JJK for the foundation of this idea

 

Edit: This would cut out argument over who is lead 100%

 

Additionally, a plug-in could be made to revoke a leader's leadership by the T's typing a command such as !newlead

Edited March 29, 2010 by F4ithl3ss

[Slazenger]

The idea wasn't to have it as the first person that talked, the idea was to have it as the first person to type !lead in chat. If someone abused the power, they would be kicked by an admin and lead would become open again to anyone that would like to grab it. If someone wants to type !lead, they would have to meet requirements such as having a mic and not being a retard, if not they would be subject to a kick the first time they did it and a ban/ t-list the second time or something like that. When he died, the idea was to have a message go out that he is dead and for one of the cts to type !lead

 

Edit: This would cut out argument over who is lead 100%

 

 

The idea in theory is cool, but if we did that we'd have to put up a demotion system which would get abused soooo much. =/

[F4ithl3ss]

The idea in theory is cool, but if we did that we'd have to put up a demotion system which would get abused soooo much. =/

Not necessarily, we don't have one now, the only thing we have to keep CTs from leading is a T-list, it would be the same exact thing as getting lead except typing a command instead of screaming in the mic and there would be a definite lead instead of a 1 minute argument of cts screaming you're not lead and then 30 seconds later the T's jumping in screaming freeday becasue no clear orders are given and freekills and such. When cts argue and ts butt in, there are probably atleast 5 or 6 people on the mic saying freeze, freeday, no orders, blah blah blah random spam, it needs to stop, this is the perfect way

Edited March 29, 2010 by F4ithl3ss

[Slazenger]

Not necessarily, we don't have one now, the only thing we have to keep CTs from leading is a T-list, it would be the same exact thing as getting lead except typing a command instead of screaming in the mic and there would be a definite lead instead of a 1 minute argument of cts screaming you're not lead and then 30 seconds later the T's jumping in screaming freeday becasue no clear orders are given and freekills and such. When cts argue and ts butt in, there are probably atleast 5 or 6 people on the mic saying freeze, freeday, no orders, blah blah blah random spam, it needs to stop, this is the perfect way

 

 

The issue is if some idiot keeps taking lead and doesn't have a mic, etc...and there are no admins on, no one could override him without a demotion system.

[F4ithl3ss]

ah, I edited in a response to that in which the t's could revoke his lead, page 1

Edit: My explination to slaz summed up what I'm trying to say shortly and sweetly

 

[HG] F4ithl3ss: so in my idea there is

[HG] F4ithl3ss: !lead

[HG] F4ithl3ss: !newlead

[HG] F4ithl3ss: !lead abuse is kick then ban/tlist

[HG] F4ithl3ss: !newlead can happen once per round

[HG] F4ithl3ss: so the T's don't get carried away trying to fuckit up

Edited March 29, 2010 by F4ithl3ss

[Slazenger]

3:44 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: It's a good idea, no?

3:44 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: !lead

3:44 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: !newlead

3:44 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: if someone fucks up

3:44 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: yeh perhaps

3:44 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: it would just be abuse a lot

3:44 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: *abused

3:44 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: which would get someone t liste

3:45 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: listed*

3:45 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: where they would be unable to access the command

3:45 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: it would be an attempt to sabatoge the round

3:45 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: grammar

3:45 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: *spelling

3:45 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: *sabotage

3:46 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: so in my idea there is

3:46 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: !lead

3:46 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: !newlead

3:46 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: !lead abuse is kick then ban/tlist

3:46 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: !newlead can happen once per round

3:46 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: so the T's don't get carried away trying to fuckit up

3:48 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: well i mean they'll want to rebel

3:48 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: so if a really good ct is keeping everyone under control

3:48 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: they're going to want to demote him

3:48 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: so let them

3:48 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: causing chaos until someone else types !lead

3:48 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: they will need a lot

3:48 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: as everyone tries to type it in, people will knife them

3:48 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: make it majority vote

3:48 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: 50%+1

3:48 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: a majority want to rebel faith

3:49 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: you'd have to make it 80%

3:49 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: and then it doesn't even make sense

3:49 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: Well then do it rofl

3:49 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: because too many retards wouldn't do it when necessary

3:49 PM - [HG] Slazenger, der Anfänger: it's a cool idea but i don't think it'll ever work in practice

3:49 PM - [HG] F4ithl3ss: I say we give it a 1 week trial atleast

 

Sums it up.

[F4ithl3ss]

I think it will work, you think it won't, a one week trial should show how the server would handle it. We should find a nice percentage of people that need to type !newlead and once we've found that, it would probably only be revoked when necessary, somewhere around 70 or 75% IMO

-It's basic scripting for !lead and a poll to revoke someone's lead for !newlead, why not?

Edited March 29, 2010 by F4ithl3ss

[Slazenger]

I think it will work, you think it won't, a one week trial should show how the server would handle it. We should find a nice percentage of people that need to type !newlead and once we've found that, it would probably only be revoked when necessary, somewhere around 70 or 75% IMO

 

A one week trial will make a week where the CTs will all be legitly pissed and cause chaos.

 

 

It's not going to work. Call me a pessimist if you'd like but I'm a realist. If the !votefk command didn't take 80% of the server to use it might actually get used...

 

Same thing with this. But as soon as you lower the % it gets abused.

 

 

This isn't something admins couldn't enforce or deal with and something they shouldn't have to deal with.

[F4ithl3ss]

A one week trial will make a week where the CTs will all be legitly pissed and cause chaos.

I think you're taking this to the extreme, !lead is none other than a different way to obtain leadership instead of screaming in the mic against 4 others. As far as revoking leadership goes, I honestly believe that if it's a percentage such as 70%, people will only vote if it's necessary

[Slazenger]

I think you're taking this to the extreme, !lead is none other than a different way to obtain leadership instead of screaming in the mic against 4 others. As far as revoking leadership goes, I honestly believe that if it's a percentage such as 70%, people will only vote if it's necessary

 

 

Try it and you owe me $20 if it doesn't work. If it works fine, I'll owe you $20.

[F4ithl3ss]

Try it and you owe me $20 if it doesn't work. If it works fine, I'll owe you $20.

There will be a few occasions where it won't work, which you will post if we give it a trial period, but it will be NOTHING compared to how many rounds passed without a problem

[SayHelloRosco]

* LR glitches, speed knives, low grav, rolling over unto next round.

 

But I love having an acid trip for a full round. Especially as CT.

[Slazenger]

There will be a few occasions where it won't work, which you will post if we give it a trial period, but it will be NOTHING compared to how many rounds passed without a problem

 

 

I think having a fully automated system is more extreme than letting it work the way it's been for over a year. When you take away the manual aspect of things you take away the control the admins and the players have over it. With proper admin enforcement and maturity (which is almost as hard to find as getting a large number of T's to legitimately vote) the manual system works fine. When they can't lead we T-list them or help them out.

[F4ithl3ss]

13. not a good idea, what if everyone saves up and buys bombs the same round, fucking chaos is what you get

-My point that I thought I made clear in ventrilo was to have it so every time a T kills a CT he gets $500, everytime a T dies he loses $1000, so it's harder to get up to $16,000 for the bomb. In addition to that, I just came across the idea that we have it so there can only be 2 bombs purchased per round and if a T has $16,000 and tries to buy a 3rd bomb, a message is sent to them saying "Sorry, there are already 2 prisoners with bombs" or even if we restricted it to one bomb per round, that would be fine too

Edited March 29, 2010 by F4ithl3ss

[F4ithl3ss]

I think having a fully automated system is more extreme than letting it work the way it's been for over a year. When you take away the manual aspect of things you take away the control the admins and the players have over it. With proper admin enforcement and maturity (which is almost as hard to find as getting a large number of T's to legitimately vote) the manual system works fine. When they can't lead we T-list them or help them out.

Well, the !newlead was just a recent though. I do still believe that we should have a !lead script so that it is clear who is lead, and if abused, the leader can be kicked by an admin. We can disable !lead with less than 20 people, because with less than 20 people, spamming for lead isn't usually a problem considering there are only about 8 CT's half which don't have mics. I can almost guarantee, also, that if there are more than 20 people in the server and !lead is enabled, there is an admin in the server as well

Edit: I appoligize for double posting

Edited March 29, 2010 by F4ithl3ss

[Epic Vagina]

the thing about being able to vote a lead out of his power is that people that are hated by everyone will not have a chance to lead and these people are sometimes good leaders.

 

The admin trial idea i don't think will work. an idea that i think is good is either the test to become a trusted player with the ability to become admin or one of the more experienced admins on JB could take new admins and teach them good tricks about being and admin when the trainee still has the full admin.

[Darkplanner]

I can assure you there will be binds to !lead that start as soon as the round starts which would mean a player could constantly get lead every round.

 

The current way of obtaining lead is fine as long as the lead ct's are not douchebags and dont say, ALL T's FREEZE NO ARMORY, I GOT IT, WHEN CELL DOORS.....and give orders.

 

Some actually give it to others and take turns. !lead would only mean one person would get it each round with a bind.

[F4ithl3ss]

I can assure you there will be binds to !lead that start as soon as the round starts which would mean a player could constantly get lead every round.

 

The current way of obtaining lead is fine as long as the lead ct's are not douchebags and dont say, ALL T's FREEZE NO ARMORY, I GOT IT, WHEN CELL DOORS.....and give orders.

 

Some actually give it to others and take turns. !lead would only mean one person would get it each round with a bind.

Everyone has the ability to make a bind, the point is just so there are no more arguments about who gets lead. I could argue the positives and negatives of this script all day long, I say we give it a trial, I've said what I need to