Proof

[Chuarch]

Please I know this is long, just read it all and come up with a mature response.

 

lol. Thought I'd make a new account (since I got banned for making a joke and having an admin not be able to take it *cough*j3TTA*cough*) in order to show you proof of corruption and abuse by HG.

 

http://www.hellsgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2047

 

This thread is a prime example of how two Council members I know overreact and power trip simply because they can't handle criticism. J3TTA and DJ banning people and abusing left and right (regardless of the ridiculous "DJ doesn't abuse" rule posted) and having complete disregard for respectful, thought out and mature responses/arguments for small issues. How old are you again DJ?

 

My thread was also a perfect example of how completely disrespectful and immature HG chooses to be. If the same thing happens to this thread, or it's deleted, it just proves my point. Come and have a simple argument/discussion with me regarding your abuse, and my actions and the actions of HG and we'll see just how corrupted you are.

 

Take for example, how Darkilla in that thread was simply stating honest facts and didn't show any apparent disrespect to DJ or anyone else. However, DJ took it way out of hand and got "butthurt" if you will, over being called a liar, and a disrespectful/rude council member. I'm sure most of you will agree that DJ took the situation out of hand and banned him without proof or logical reason simply because he didn't want to do his job, and handle the issue maturely.

 

Also take for example, my accusations of J3TTA and his abuse. After denying it twice in my thread, he them admitted to "abusing" his power against "only a certain number of people who can take it" because it was "just messing around, and fun". Funny how a high position allows you to do such things and get away with it. Regardless if it's just messing around or not, it is rude and doesn't need to happen. Well the same issue it applied to how I got my admin removed. Obviously I was just joking around with people, and it was rude and not needed. I got my admin taken away without a simple warning or mature conversation about it. J3TTA cited that I had plenty of warnings, posting 3 different "abuse" threads on me with not one holding up to any amount of abuse other than I can be a jerk sometimes, even if my intentions are good. Then Grizzly decided to post a screenshot of me slaying myself repeatedly with admin in the knife round on Office. This does nothing but fake boost my score, and has no effect on my k/d or overall server score. Even if it did, I'm so bad at CSS that after the 5 minutes (I think) of score-boosting, I was still around number 2000 in the server. This harmed no one else but me.

 

You can obviously take J3TTA's word that it's all fun and games, and having nothing done about it because he's Council, but God forbid when Church does it, you gotta delete his entire client for it without even a real warning.

 

Clark stated in a news thread about the immaturity of what was posted in my quit thread, that he had his problems with me. Now I don't know what Clark meant about that, but I'm sure they weren't anything serious, as me and Clark have known each other since Lex's Zombiemod server before Clark was elevated above anything other than regular admin. Yea I've been here that long.

 

I regret my action to quit, as HG really has been a fun community and servers, but only when Council members didn't overreact or act immaturely against members (even paying ones) by just ignoring their arguments and banning them/removing their powers.

 

If you had any real intelligence, you would know that someone being a "jerk" every once in a while (with good intentions of just playing around and giving hard times) has almost NOTHING to do with their ability to administrate a server. How does me calling someone a name, affect my response to a freekiller on Jailbreak? It doesn't. I can still slay that freekiller for freekilling. Whether or not I was joking around with people. To be honest, I'm one of the best admins HG ever had. You obviously wouldn't disagree if you gave me admin+ on almost every server for FREE. SOME of you have to trust me enough for that. You can go ahead and ask around, hold a poll. "Was Church one of the best HG admins? Yes No". Simple as that.

 

Clearly it's painfully obvious that if J3TTA and DJ are going to get lazy and just "abuse" people because they don't want to deal with the problem, they probably shouldn't be put with the JOB of council. If I'm not mistaken you actually get PAID real life money to be a Council member. (Never mind. This is apparently false)

 

I'll agree that at times I can be a jerk, but I really don't mean to. I have acted immaturely at times, and who hasn't, but seriously? Can we try to have a civilized argument?

 

I'm not looking for this to be my redeeming ticket back into HG, because honestly, it's not my life. It was just a fun thing I did because I had the power to help the servers be better. You guys have lost like 5 or 6 or so people after I left. I don't know for what reasons, but it is a bit of a coincidence.

 

If you read all of this, thank you. If you didn't well hopefully someone can TL;DR it in a non-idiotic way so you can understand what's going on.

 

-Church

Edited February 19, 2009 by Chuarch

[Guest JJK]

oh hells nah i aint readin all that

 

 

edit: ok i did read it, and i would answer but my house is on fire brb

Edited February 19, 2009 by HT | JJK

[pookie]

You get paid to be a council memeber who does nothing............. -.- thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

[DJ2]

read it...

 

you were not in the server with darkilla, you have no idea; good job assuming though. He had many chances to STFU and play CSS... he chose otherwise. k,thx

 

PAID to be Council? are you serious? I donate my time, effort and money to this community as well do the rest of the Council members. I spend more time doing things in and for this community than some people spend at work or school. Please know what youe are talking about before posting.

[DJ2]

You get paid to be a council memeber who does nothing............. -.- thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

 

let me fix that for you...

 

assumuing council members do nothing............. -.- thats the stupidest thing i have ever heard.

[Chuarch]

Thanks for only addressing ONE part of my argument DJ.

 

I assumed you got paid because of something Clark said. My bad sorry if it's not true.

 

Although I wasn't there, I'm sure you'll agree that the arguments you formulated in the thread explain it efficiently enough for someone to form an argument against it, otherwise what's the point of formulating your OWN arguments in the thread. If they don't hold any value in the thread, then your arguments are invalid, as well are mine. However if your arguments in the thread ARE valid and represent your side of what happened fully, then I can formulate a valid argument against it.

 

Does what you said in that thread represent your side of the argument? If it does, then I didn't need to be there. If it doesn't, then why did you post what you posted?

Edited February 19, 2009 by Chuarch

[Guest Crothers]

Thanks for only addressing ONE part of my argument DJ.

 

I assumed you got paid because of something Clark said. My bad sorry if it's not true.

 

Although I wasn't there, I'm sure you'll agree that the arguments you formulated in the thread explain it efficiently enough for someone to form an argument against it, otherwise what's the point of formulating your OWN arguments in the thread. If they don't hold any value in the thread, then your arguments are invalid, as well are mine. However if your arguments in the thread ARE valid and represent your side of what happened fully, then I can formulate a valid argument against it.

 

Does what you said in that thread represent your side of the argument? If it does, then I didn't need to be there. If it doesn't, then why did you post what you posted?

lulz, you obviously have no idea what it costs in b/w to run HG gg you fucking idiot.

[ttaM]

[TheCow]

i guess my computer died at the worst time wtf happened church??? also i understand what church means because ive seen him be annoyed by council members left and right on vent and i always think its funny but dont get mad at him for doing it in a server yes church messes around and he can be a big floppy douche but hes a good admin and enforces the rules well and keeps servers running smoothly

 

now about council members not doing anything this is ridiculous of course they work hard and have other things to do beside CSS and HG or w/e game u play. Most/All of them have lives too or atleast i think they do so you cant say they do nothing.

 

but there are some things that do need to be handled and thats up to the council whether or not they will fix the corruption and errors within themselves

[Chuarch]

lulz, you obviously have no idea what it costs in b/w to run HG gg you fucking idiot.

 

A perfect example (proving my point) of how you people haven't the ability to formulate a mature and thought out response, addressing most things, if not everything, in my post.

 

Actually, I do know that it costs a fuckton of money to run HG with all the bandwidth that it uses. I understand that it's very difficult, especially in the economy's situation nowadays. That's still not an excuse to be too lazy to respond maturely, and DO YOUR JOB when it comes to small matters of admin management. Yes, I know a bunch of abuse and ban and unban reports a day are staggering and annoying. That's STILL not an excuse. If you cannot handle it, why do you have Council?

[ttaM]

Most/All of them have lives too or atleast i think they do so you cant say they do nothing.

 

Nahh

[Chuarch]

 

Another PERFECT example of how you choose your Staff/Council members.

 

Damned AMAZING how SWAT actually used to be cool and is now a raving immature black hole of dickheadedness.

 

THIS IS NOT 4CHAN SWAT. THIS IS A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET WANTING TO MAKE A BETTER PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY COUNTER STRIKE.

 

Please note that the rules state you should be respectful. How many times do you have to keep proving my point? You want to tear me down, do it with a valid, MATURE argument addressing most, if not all of MY arguments.

 

Thank you.

 

EDIT: I appreciate your mature input Cow.

 

Double EDIT: Nice edit to your own post SWAT. Quick job.

Edited February 19, 2009 by Chuarch

[TheCow]

wat even happned ??

[Guest Crothers]

wat even happned ??

pvp happened QQ

[Guest JJK]

pvp happened QQ

 

go back to wow fag

[TheCow]

go back to wow fag

 

 

WoW = :fail:

[ttaM]

First off I didn't edit my own post I don't know what you're talking about.

 

Second off I made that as a joke to others, not directed at you in any way. You didn't post pictures or anything, it was the community that needs to take responsibility for that, not you.

 

You talk about maturity Church. You want a rational response to your various and oftentimes irrefutable evidence? The evidence against you is just building up. Hellsgamers is a community that prides itself on things like individual growth and social outreach. Members and Staff/Council are expected to conduct themselves in a positive manner, displaying good sportsmanship at all times, both as participants and as spectators in all servers. While winning and losing are components of gaming, competition and participation are emphasized Hellsgamers and are the means by which members are guided to integrate the values of respect for one’s body, sportsmanship, loyalty, cooperation, and respect for others into their lives.

 

Here are various objectives for Hellsgamers, these are what we hope to accomplish.

 

Objectives:

1. To develop respectable attitudes through working with others.

2. To provide as many gaming activities for as many members as possible.

3. To help members develop agility and overall physical coordination.

4. To promote an appreciation for gaming.

5. To develop a community spirit, morale and loyalty.

6. To expose members to a variety of situations which will aid them in developing sportsmanship, team cooperation, courtesy and self-control.

7. To develop concepts of goal attainment through hard work and rigorous self-discipline.

8. To provide the Hellsgamers community with the opportunity to view competition and to participate as spectators.

[Chuarch]

Getting off topic. Again. Apparently no one cares about the corruption in HG.

 

Am I trying in vain?

 

EDIT: SWAT. None of my arguments are completely irrefutable. You just have to come up with a response that makes sense to what I'm saying.

 

I'd like to know this evidence that you speak of. Where's the proof that I abuse my admin powers against other people?

 

"Hellsgamers is a community that prides itself on things like individual growth and social outreach. Members and Staff/Council are expected to conduct themselves in a positive manner, displaying good sportsmanship at all times, both as participants and as spectators in all servers." This argument right here, is exactly what you have NOT been doing. If my other thread was still up I'd link you to numerous examples of it.

 

Also, the pictures thing. I apologize I mistakenly read that as "It needs to be blown up like the last one". Whether or not you DID edit the picture, doesn't really matter as it's obvious from my repeated examples of your immaturity, that this thread doesn't need to turn out like the other one.

 

Once again, with the "jokes". The reason I got my admin removed was because of misunderstanding of my "jokes". I got angry at how you could punish me yet turn a blind eye against J3TTA and DJ and others for the same thing. SO, I quit.

Edited February 20, 2009 by Chuarch

[DJ2]

CLIFFS

 

Church got stupid, Church got admin removed, Church QQ'd and Quit HG, Churched got flamed, Church QQ'd more, Church got bant, Chuarch showed up to dump more sand out of his vag

 

 

-the end

[ttaM]

Hellsgamers Code of Ethics

 

1. To emphasize the proper ideals of gaming, ethical conduct and fair play.

2. To eliminate all possibilities which tend to destroy the best values of the game.

3. To stress the values derived from playing the game fairly.

4. To show cordial courtesy to admins.

5. To establish a happy relationship between guests and members.

6. To respect the integrity and judgment of admins.

7. To achieve a thorough understanding and acceptance of rules of the game and the standards of eligibility.

8. To encourage leadership, use of initiative and good judgment by the player on a team.

9. To recognize that the purpose of gaming is to promote the cooperative, mental, moral, social and emotional well-being of the individual players.

10. To remember that a game is only a game - not a matter of life and death for the player.

[Guest Crothers]

CLIFFS

 

Church got stupid, Church got admin removed, Church QQ'd and Quit HG, Churched got flamed, Church QQ'd more, PVP happened, Church got bant, Chuarch showed up to dump more sand out of his vag then QQ'd again.

 

 

-the end

 

fix't

[TheCow]

Not on the topic of Church for a moment there is some people within HT/ HG who most of time are never serious and when they are it ussually comes out very disrespectful or unfair

 

If we want a fair and mature community everyone has to participate meaning no special rules or special nominations just because of your position

[Chuarch]

CLIFFS

 

Church got stupid (Just like me and J3TTA admittedly do sometimes), Church got admin removed, Church QQ'd and Quit HG, Churched got flamed, Church QQ'd more, Church got bant, Chuarch showed up to dump more sand out of his vag

 

I overreacted and removed Church's admin for doing the same thing I repeatedly do along with J3TTA. (Even thought Church has been shown to numerous times to be one of the best admins we've EVER had) I also did this without talking to Church first because I was too lazy to do my job properly. This is also true with Darkilla.

 

Valid examples are posted in the OP.

 

-the end

 

Fix'd.

Edited February 20, 2009 by Chuarch

[ttaM]

Chu(a)rch

 

IRREFUTABLE = I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU!

 

I said, "You want a rational response to your various and oftentimes irrefutable evidence?"

Google definition of irrefutable: incontrovertible: impossible to deny or disprove; "incontrovertible proof of the defendant's innocence"; "proof positive"; "an irrefutable argument"

 

If you want us to try and be rational with you then you have to be able to read.

 

P.S.- The picture was not edited, I made it myself.

 

If you misread any more of my argument that proves how ignorant and uncaring you are about proving your point.

[Master]

Lawl what i missed? Hey Chuarch you misspelled your name btw. It is spelled like this: C-H-U-R-C-H.

I though i had bad spelling but Church isn't one of them, i mean there is spell check for god sake.

 

Also. You need hard core proof that there is corruption in Council. We already went down this road with JJk when we had the forums on e107 I believe. It was a long time ago and nothing change. The attitude change from who he accused and was worked out and now they are good buddies, I think. But PROOF is really something that you need here.