DevilDogNate Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Whats everyone's opinion on the unfolding events in Iran with the oil? Think we will go invade or stay out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelloImKevin Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 invade of course. we cant just have a stand still army we have to do shit to pay the bills. and iran with there oil seems pretty nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeman Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 invade of course. we cant just have a stand still army we have to do shit to pay the bills. and iran with there oil seems pretty nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrShulgi Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 invade of course. we cant just have a stand still army we have to do shit to pay the bills. and iran with there oil seems pretty nice. So, you think we make money off of the wars we're in? HA! If only our country were that smart. Iraq, we liberated them and didn't take a barrel. Afghanistan, not much oil to take, pretty undevoloped or previously destroyed. Libya, we make the no fly zone so the rebels have a chance, not one barrel are we given. Not only that, but out of all 3 of those countries we've *helped*, not a one like us with their new governments (outside of MAYBE the Afghans, but their new gov't won't last without us there). The only people that make money off of military occupation are contractors that provide services to our troops because they've lobbied hard enough to make it ok to open the market up to vendors. "Cost plus" accounting is a bigger scam that Enron was, it's just Enron had visible victims, it wasn't just the taxpayer. Ever seen pictures of the military bases where the civilian contractor lot is 100% brand new Escalades/Denali's? That's because each employee, regardless of if they drive or not, have a personal issue vehicle that is bought brand new for them...why? Because they bill the government it's cost, plus a procurement fee. It makes sense to get the most overpriced vehicles you can, and get one for everyone...the more you bill the government, the more you collect a percentage on. I could go on and on, but I won't. If you're interested, look the shit up. "The fleecing of America" is one of the big ones, if memory serves. But seriously, if you were serious, read some fucking news every now and again. We don't profit off of wars, we're just damned good at them from experience. Why so much experience? The military-industrial complex. Again, look it up if you're actually interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExGBrian Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Iran is strong so if we go into war we will get hit hard but still pull through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrShulgi Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Iran is strong so if we go into war we will get hit hard but still pull through. We will get hit hard? How exactly? Unless we put ground troops in their country, they basically can't attack us. Iran is *JUST NOW* developing short-mid range missile technology that's reliable (~200 miles). The only thing in that range is our Naval ships, which have defense systems years ahead of their weapons systems. Iran doesn't have any respectable navy...it's all smallboats that they would swarm with. Granted, smallboats would be effective, once. After they swarmed suicide-style on one of our big ships, we'd pull back a bit into the ocean and destroy their refueling and docking stations from way out. Iran like a month ago threatened to station a fleet outside of our territorial waters and I actually did some research. Irans cutting edge ships are decomissioned Soviet Era ships that have been sold to them. The USA is still the only country in the world to have a fully functioning "Blue Water" fleet, meaning they can fully cross oceans/etc no problem. If Iran tried to come anywhere near us Navy wise, we'd destroy them. As far as population goes, Iran is 75 million people, we have just over 300 million, making us four times larger. Of that population, Iran is a muslim country meaning women can do NOTHING important, so cut half of that population out. Beyond sheer numbers, take into account that the US spends more on military than EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD PUT TOGETHER. Beyond that, take into account the experience level of our military vs theirs. We have been in basically perpetual war for the last 100 years. One generation of military doesn't pass without a major war, meaning we've got seasoned vets across the board and not just at the upper levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeman Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Shulgi where have you been man. Glad to see someone else is reading up on all this stuff going on. I had a friend in the navy who left because of all that crap he saw in regards to the military contracting. They weren't even allowed to fix their own shit, they had to fly out a "specialist" who would basically tell them they needed a new one and then bill our government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDogNate Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 As bad as it sounds, being in the Marines, I hope we invade Iran. It'll put a hold on the down sizing of all the branches and open up more deployments which is what a lot of Marines want. Iran wouldn't have a chance against the invasion. It would be the same old IED fighting and hidden ambushes but they'll never come head to head with us. They at least know they would be destroyed if they tried that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooT Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Because of this constant war shit, I was thinking about joining some sort of service. I am gonna try my hand in college ball first though and if I don't get very far, after I do school I will enlist in some branch of military. No idea yet, but anyways, I would gladly invade Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FEBRUARY Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I've wondered about this exact thing a lot lately, so it seems. What would happen if China attacked us? What would happen if Korea attacked us? What would happen if Japan attacked us? What would happen if Middle Eastern countries attacked us? What would happen if WW3 sparked? Shitsinteresting.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingless Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 As bad as it sounds, being in the Marines, I hope we invade Iran. It'll put a hold on the down sizing of all the branches and open up more deployments which is what a lot of Marines want. Iran wouldn't have a chance against the invasion. It would be the same old IED fighting and hidden ambushes but they'll never come head to head with us. They at least know they would be destroyed if they tried that. Hey now, Marine. I'd rather the next place people try to blow us up in doesn't have shitty weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60Seconds Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Really? A war in Iran? You guys haven't learned anything from Iraq and Afghanistan? Those two wars went pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazaHorse Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 What would happen if Korea attacked us? Real terror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FDR Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I think what we are doing is good for now. The U.S., Japan, European Union, and other countries is embargoing and sanctioning Iran. Eventually, they will have no big buyers of their oil and their economy will falter, creating pressure in the Iranian government to make diplomatic moves. It's kinda started recently. I just read that the Iranian people are actually buying American dollars cause their currency, the Rial, is becoming worth less and less due to the economy becoming worse from all the international sanctions. A military strike will probably only happen if they attack us or a ally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkly1 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 We will get hit hard? How exactly? Unless we put ground troops in their country, they basically can't attack us. Iran is *JUST NOW* developing short-mid range missile technology that's reliable (~200 miles). The only thing in that range is our Naval ships, which have defense systems years ahead of their weapons systems. Iran doesn't have any respectable navy...it's all smallboats that they would swarm with. Granted, smallboats would be effective, once. After they swarmed suicide-style on one of our big ships, we'd pull back a bit into the ocean and destroy their refueling and docking stations from way out. Iran like a month ago threatened to station a fleet outside of our territorial waters and I actually did some research. Irans cutting edge ships are decomissioned Soviet Era ships that have been sold to them. The USA is still the only country in the world to have a fully functioning "Blue Water" fleet, meaning they can fully cross oceans/etc no problem. If Iran tried to come anywhere near us Navy wise, we'd destroy them. As far as population goes, Iran is 75 million people, we have just over 300 million, making us four times larger. Of that population, Iran is a muslim country meaning women can do NOTHING important, so cut half of that population out. Beyond sheer numbers, take into account that the US spends more on military than EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD PUT TOGETHER. Beyond that, take into account the experience level of our military vs theirs. We have been in basically perpetual war for the last 100 years. One generation of military doesn't pass without a major war, meaning we've got seasoned vets across the board and not just at the upper levels. May I know what do you mean by "WOMEN CANT DO NOTHING IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSLIM?" Well let me clear you out. Iran is a big country with history of over 7000 years old and big civilization. in iran's history if you go see or basically in 30 years they've had never invade any country, never attacked any country or anything. About iran being muslim, if you actually want to know about this, its right that they are Muslim but this is lies. Iran isn't a country that is religious , its only government that is religious if you go see basically in iran they dont even like to be muslim its government that is basically forcing them to be muslim. About womens, womens can do anything but just they need to cover their hair which is really stupid and NOT EVEN IRANIAN people want this, as even tho they cover their hair still they wear fashion clothes that it will make them look alot better. basically Iranian people are like french people, they act like western, they always want to be fashion and top. About nuclear, Iran is not making nuclear. and even tho if we are making why cant we? why cant we top? all other countries have nuclear why cant we have? This is how we are in iran: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeman Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Hey you know what would solve this country's deficit problem and ridiculous expenditure on our army and private contractors who pocket the money given to them by the government? more war, yea that'll do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerlinTheWizard Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Some people don't care about the deficit and what Gov. defense spending is doing to the nation. At this point we have so much invested into defense that It's going to be hard to stop making war. There are hundreds if not thousands of private companies out there that survive on selling war time products. Eventually things will ease up, but in my opinion there is a strong chance that we could go to war with Iran. There could be so many different reasons why we would, but at the end of the day your only going to know what the media feeds you. And remember, what the media feeds you is what the government feeds the media.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.rambo Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 my cousin fight in iran right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaJoy Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I don't like to get into discussion about these things, it just causes too much drama ...but all I care about is that my family and friends are safe over there. I have 2 cousins and several classmates fighting right now. Just recently, a kid who graduated a year after me died by a road side bomb. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone over there, the friends and families & the ones who lost their lives fighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwing Duck Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Hey you know what would solve this country's deficit problem and ridiculous expenditure on our army and private contractors who pocket the money given to them by the government? more war, yea that'll do it. ^ this x 1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrShulgi Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 May I know what do you mean by "WOMEN CANT DO NOTHING IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSLIM?" Well let me clear you out. Iran is a big country with history of over 7000 years old and big civilization. in iran's history if you go see or basically in 30 years they've had never invade any country, never attacked any country or anything. About iran being muslim, if you actually want to know about this, its right that they are Muslim but this is lies. Iran isn't a country that is religious , its only government that is religious if you go see basically in iran they dont even like to be muslim its government that is basically forcing them to be muslim. About womens, womens can do anything but just they need to cover their hair which is really stupid and NOT EVEN IRANIAN people want this, as even tho they cover their hair still they wear fashion clothes that it will make them look alot better. basically Iranian people are like french people, they act like western, they always want to be fashion and top. About nuclear, Iran is not making nuclear. and even tho if we are making why cant we? why cant we top? all other countries have nuclear why cant we have? This is how we are in iran: Notice it says "Undercover Fashion" because what they are doing is ILLEGAL there? It doesn't matter if they do it behind closed doors because they can't do it in public. We have snuff films made in the US, but it's illegal. Just because there are snuff vids from here on the internet, it doesn't mean that THAT'S HOW IT IS HERE. Follow my logic? My original point is that because women are repressed there, it takes out a decent chunk of their population from counting in my number above. Ever seen the pictures of Rosie the Rivoter from the early part of the 1900's? That's because the US uses all of it's citizens as a resource. Something like that would probably never happen in Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkly1 Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) I don't like to get into discussion about these things, it just causes too much drama ...but all I care about is that my family and friends are safe over there. I have 2 cousins and several classmates fighting right now. Just recently, a kid who graduated a year after me died by a road side bomb. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone over there, the friends and families & the ones who lost their lives fighting. Didnt quite get it, your friends&family are persian? Notice it says "Undercover Fashion" because what they are doing is ILLEGAL there? It doesn't matter if they do it behind closed doors because they can't do it in public. We have snuff films made in the US, but it's illegal. Just because there are snuff vids from here on the internet, it doesn't mean that THAT'S HOW IT IS HERE. Follow my logic? My original point is that because women are repressed there, it takes out a decent chunk of their population from counting in my number above. Ever seen the pictures of Rosie the Rivoter from the early part of the 1900's? That's because the US uses all of it's citizens as a resource. Something like that would probably never happen in Iran. No, By undercover I meant that even though they hide their hairs still they are fashion. Edited January 12, 2012 by Wingless DP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelloImKevin Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 So, you think we make money off of the wars we're in? HA! If only our country were that smart. Iraq, we liberated them and didn't take a barrel. Afghanistan, not much oil to take, pretty undevoloped or previously destroyed. Libya, we make the no fly zone so the rebels have a chance, not one barrel are we given. Not only that, but out of all 3 of those countries we've *helped*, not a one like us with their new governments (outside of MAYBE the Afghans, but their new gov't won't last without us there). The only people that make money off of military occupation are contractors that provide services to our troops because they've lobbied hard enough to make it ok to open the market up to vendors. "Cost plus" accounting is a bigger scam that Enron was, it's just Enron had visible victims, it wasn't just the taxpayer. Ever seen pictures of the military bases where the civilian contractor lot is 100% brand new Escalades/Denali's? That's because each employee, regardless of if they drive or not, have a personal issue vehicle that is bought brand new for them...why? Because they bill the government it's cost, plus a procurement fee. It makes sense to get the most overpriced vehicles you can, and get one for everyone...the more you bill the government, the more you collect a percentage on. I could go on and on, but I won't. If you're interested, look the shit up. "The fleecing of America" is one of the big ones, if memory serves. But seriously, if you were serious, read some fucking news every now and again. We don't profit off of wars, we're just damned good at them from experience. Why so much experience? The military-industrial complex. Again, look it up if you're actually interested. the news dont tell shit. i havent seen one story on the news about the us and iran gettin closer to the brink of war. all i see is " US Rescues IRAN Boat " and then nothing more. you should know better. the news will never tell us whats truely happening around the world. let me say this again the only reason why the US might start a war with iran is because of Resourcs. nothing more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeman Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) US might start a war with iran is because of Resourcs. nothing more There's a heavy contradiction there. That might be the reasoning behind the government but then they spend trillions on private contractors who pocket almost all of that money. Have you seen photos or interviews of the bases that were built over in Iraq? Some of these bases were "supposed" to have a budget of $800,000 to $2,000,000 and the bases built look like they had a budget less than Taco Bell. The only people that would profit from another war is the military industrial complex. Not you, not your family, not your friends, and not our government. Edited January 12, 2012 by Weeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerlinTheWizard Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 The only people that would profit from another war is the military industrial complex. Not you, not your family, not your friends, and not our government. True that. Plus there are a lot of benefits using private contractors. They're private organizations that aren't really affiliated with one specific nation, and our gov can get away with a lot more using them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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