BlakOut Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I read through the thread regarding the previous changes to !fire. Although they were certainly improvements, I think !fire is currently in need of some additional tweaking. Having your rep returned when your fire is successful is obviously a good trait. It punishes trolls and rewards legit players. However, what I've been seeing recently is the tendency of players to abuse it heavily. Especially when the server isn't operating at capacity, but instead has 20 or so players, one T will type the !fire command, then hop on his mic and yell "Only 7 more to fire!!!!!" as if it's a damn RTV request or something. Naturally, tons of other T's jump on the bandwagon because they want to see the lead rage, get sent to electric chair and cause a free day. What's worse, it's happening several times in the same round. The same group of Ts who fired lead at the beginning of the round will immediately !fire the lead that takes over, run to electric chair and fry their asses together. Anyway, I think a few tweaks could provide a happy medium between the original !fire system and the current one. Many good ideas were previously mentioned in Laz's thread: - Institute a required interval between firings: T's may only !fire once per round, once per 10 minutes, etc. - Marginally increase the rep. price: As it stands, its not only very cheap to fire leads, but when you've got your entire team on a !firing streak, you're getting it all back anyway. Some sort of price increase would make players more cautious. - It was also suggested that only admins have access to the command. I think this has the potential to work very nicely. There are almost always a good volume of admins in the server, and it could still cost rep. and be subject to a vote. Also, I've noticed that staff aren't taking too kindly to admins stepping in when T's fire leads. The few times that admins have given warnings or kicks, they've been considering in the wrong. I've tried a few times simply saying "Alright guys, easy on the firing. If the lead is doing his/her job and not just goofing around, leave them be." Even this kind of suggestion to the players has been met with "Fuck you. I'm allowed to fire if I want to." Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conan Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 can we fix if you pass on lead you cannot become lead for the rest of the round. A ct stepped down to avoid being fired then had another ct take lead to step down so he could be lead again without having the fire votes. This seems like a loop hole in the fire system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Oh boy this thread again... @Conan Currently, if the lead has 80% of the votes needed to fire them (so, if they have 8 fire votes against them, and they need 10) and they !pass, they are teleported anyways, and not allowed to lead. Maybe I'll change it to 70%. @ blackout There already is a fire interval... you can only use it once per round lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conan Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 bonbon i was able to fire more than once in a round. you may need to check that cause we fired 2 leads who sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakOut Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 Oh boy this thread again... @Conan Currently, if the lead has 80% of the votes needed to fire them (so, if they have 8 fire votes against them, and they need 10) and they !pass, they are teleported anyways, and not allowed to lead. Maybe I'll change it to 70%. @ blackout There already is a fire interval... you can only use it once per round lead. You can fire as many leads in a round as you want. A once-per-round limit would be helpful, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 You can fire as many leads in a round as you want, but you can only cast one vote per fire, is what I meant. Although it seems like making people only allowed to use !fire once a round, I've seen it happen many times that a lead is fired, and an even shittier lead takes his place. IDK what to do about fire abuse tbh, removing it seems like the only option that solves problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptex Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 What if to fire a lead it cost 100 rep but u only need 10 ppl do do so, and if u fire the lead, u get the full amount of rep annd a bit back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) I was thinking that the !fire option should be left in-game and available to all players but, the massive amount of "abuse" is really discouraging people from leading and something needs to be done. I was thanking that if the general players choose the Fire the lead (i.e 10/10 votes to fire) the admins should have the final say in the matter, either voting yes or no to fire the lead. If there is an even number of admins, only the first 3 votes count. The rep cost now (3 Rep) is a decent amount to pay as getting to the 100 rep mark is hard for some players and even harder to maintian when firing new leads. The Rep used to fire should be refunded if the vote is passed by the players and another 3 should be given if the admins pass the vote also. I reccomend that repeat !fire "abusers" should be able to be reported for their actions and given a small ban ( i.e >30 minutes) and if the re-offend the ban will be doubled each time. This would discourage future players from abusing and repeat offenders to stop. Also, I think that only 1 lead can be fired each round if this new system is to be implemented. Currently , multiple leads can be fired each round as of 1 week ago. I claimed lead and was instantly fired and sent to the electric chair. Then, seconds later, Angel Descends claimed lead and was also fired causing a freeday as no other CT's had mics destroying the round. I believe that this new system will stop all the abuse and make not so confident CT's no longer fear the T's firing them for no reason. Thanks for your time and if you read this far down, you are a true boss, Jake Edited January 12, 2012 by Flare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--------- Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) Maybe Trusted admins (and me ) can send Prisoners to electric chair if they abuse !fire? Just a thought? If trusted admin: "!fireabuse enigm0" [HG JB] Prisoner [HG] ENIGM0 has been sent to electric chair for abusing !fire. If lower access than trusted admin: "!fireabuse enigm0" [HG JB] Sorry, You don't have access to this command. Or maybe trusted [HG]+ members that have admin, if trusted admins+ aren't on frequently? Edited January 12, 2012 by ENIGM0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorito^ Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) I am getting fucking sick of all of these threads, too be honest; either do what ENIGM0 said or remove it all together. This is getting out of hand. EDIT: About ENIGM0's idea, trusted admins are not on frequent enough for this too work. Edited January 12, 2012 by R3venant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--------- Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) EDIT: About ENIGM0's idea, trusted admins are not on frequent enough for this too work. Well what about trusted [HG]+ members that have paid admin? Most people in the main clan and above are trusted members of HG to make it into the main clan.. OR DL+ just choose out of the most active [HG]+ jail breakers? Edited January 12, 2012 by ENIGM0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Why don't we just make this mess go away and remove it all together, It has caused more arguments than it has solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluHorse Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 brb finding a fuck to give. oh here it is. !fire works good, however (as previously stated) you should only be allowed to fire ONCE per round. i don't think THIS has been said: only allow a set amount of starting the !fire voting per person in a set amount of time (say 10 minutes for example). what this means is you can only INITIATE the !fire vote every 10 minutes however you can still participate in them. just a suggestion don't know dick about coding and how hard/easy it would be to implement. IMO suffer through the bad leads, how do you think we did it before all this fancy rep and !fire commands? also in regards to ENIGM0's most recent post, what would constitute most active? i've logged tons of hours on JB but have only recently started playing again after a hiatus. would my lack of recent activity remove me from being chosen? or would my previous "butt fuck ton" of hours logged make me eligible? theres no need for ANOTHER command to monitor fire abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazaHorse Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Well what about trusted [HG]+ members that have paid admin? Most people in the main clan and above are trusted members of HG to make it into the main clan.. OR DL+ just choose out of the most active [HG]+ jail breakers? I would love to hear everyones thoughts.. No. Pay admins are pay admins. There is no specification in the admin system, and no need to do so for something so minor and honestly... stupid. It's REALLY EASY to tell the legitimate !fire cases and the stupid !fire spammers. You see someone spamming !fire to disrupt the natural order of the server? Warn, Kick, Ban just like you would with mic spammers, radio spammers, trolls, douchebags, etc. YOU DO NOT NEED SPECIAL POWERS TO DEAL WITH THIS PEOPLE! Superman doesn't fly planes, pilots do. Could Superman fly planes? Yeah he'd probably grab them and throw them a mile away. DOES he fly planes? No... why? Because pilots do it just fine. Why don't we just make this mess go away and remove it all together, It has caused more arguments than it has solved. THE ONLY suggestion I think is plausible from this entire thread. What happened to the old days when we had to suffer through Crewcabanger ordering the T's to the bottom or top or bottom or top or bottom or top of cell stairs until 3:30? At some point these mods become a burden and do more harm than good. Admins still have the motd written ability to have a lead step down (the !lead !pass system already has plenty of oddities on its own with things like freedays). Why not just LET admins use that ability with prudence instead of forcing our tired and weary-eyed dev team to code up a solution to every minor problem you can find? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) Why don't we just make this mess go away and remove it all together, It has caused more arguments than it has solved. ^This OR limiting the !fire acess to ADMINS ONLY at no rep charge. Also, what point will rep have if !fire is removed? apart from internet dick measuring contests Edited January 12, 2012 by Flare punctuation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Best answer i have seen here, is to only let players fire one lead per round. If they get stuck with a shitty lead then tough, thats their fault for firing. would stop people abusing it when at least known good leads were on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 If you feel like it should be removed.... https://hellsgamers.com/threads/59965-Petition-To-Ban-!fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--------- Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 You see someone spamming !fire to disrupt the natural order of the server? Warn, Kick, Ban just like you would with mic spammers, radio spammers, trolls, douchebags, etc. And what should I do if 12 people all abuse !fire and continue to? Kick them all? ^This OR limiting the !fire acess to ADMINS ONLY at no rep charge. This is actually a good idea, but it would have to be something like 70% of admins online have to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Enigmo - I'd make an example of 1 or 2 of them so the others get the message not to fuck with !fire. If it continues kick em all. Think of it this way, if 10 people come on and radio spam continuously ( radio spamming ruins the day like !fire abusing does) you aren't only gonna kick 3 of them , are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluHorse Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 enigm0, why would you give pay admins another command to abuse/worry about. Bad idea making it admin only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazaHorse Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 And what should I do if 12 people all abuse !fire and continue to? Kick them all? If you have balls. I've kicked 5 people at once for radio spamming after I told them to stop... why? Because they all deserved it. If you go through the correct procedure, 1/2/12 people deserve the same punishment. Putting !fire to admins only is a waste of time and means it might as well be removed. Admins ALREADY have the privilege to have an admin they believe is leading too often or too poorly to step down. WHY would they need a command for it? Give it a rest... !fire is for the PEOPLE to decide a lead sucks for themselves. I however think the cost of participation is too low, leading to uneducated or improperly motivated voters. What do? Increase the rep cost to 10/15 with a 5 rep return. No one cares about rep anyway lol... so 10/15 seems fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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