Chicken Wings Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Not surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWSOME WAFFLES Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I HAD TO READ SOMETHING ON THIS FOR HISTORY CLASS TODAY !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Boo fucking hoo, you think your pcs aren't made the same way? What this guy said. Sadly apple isn't the only company that does this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 PC ≥ Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FenixNR Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 PC â‰Â¥ Mac Opinions are like aholes, everyone has one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Opinions are like aholes, everyone has one... Although all assholes are not equall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--------- Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 It's not Apple's fault, it's Foxconn's.. Apple pays Foxconn to make them.. http://www.apple.com/supplierresponsibility/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaMigra Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 apple's fault... if they really wanted to make a difference they would scare the company from leaving them and make them change the situation... so yeah apple's fault as much as Foxconn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyHorse Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 It's not Apple's fault, it's Foxconn's.. Apple pays Foxconn to make them.. http://www.apple.com/supplierresponsibility/ Poor gullible bastard...you'll learn soon that fancy web pages saying "We treat our workers with dignity" means their workers in the US and not the outsourced workers. Its called false advertising. Its not only foxconns fault, but more than that its apples for choosing to deal with a company that uses these forms of underpaid child labor and supporting them. If they really wanted to make a difference, which they dont, they would hire US workers and pay them minimum wage to build their computers but it costs them too much. Even though it would boost the hell out of the US economy they will always chose to outsource because it costs them 1/50 the cost to do it...this is why I will always build my own pc with parts manufactured in north america. They might cost a bit more, but most of the time they're a better product. So yes, tl;dr its apples fault and always will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 its sad & disgusting that they have to use kids to make their shit.... but they're not the only ones who do it. its just how the world works. i dont agree with it, but talking shit about apple on a forum isnt gonna do much to change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diK Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Another reason for me to never buy an apple product. They are good at only one thing. Making the ignorant public think that their products are innovative and superior to others. They can take an idea (from something already created) and market it extremely well. Danielle is right though, because in reality Apple isn't going to go away, especially with all these apple fanboys out their that could be holding a piece of shit with an apple logo on it in one hand and a candy bar in the other hand with an android logo on it and they will be thoroughly convinced that the piece of shit is far better tasting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma# Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) It's not Apple's fault, it's Foxconn's.. Apple pays Foxconn to make them.. http://www.apple.com/supplierresponsibility/ Depending on what school of philosophy/your beliefs, I think a lot of people would disagree. As a whole, the responsibility in which Apple has listed on your link is on them only. They are responsible for ensuring that the suppliers they choose are consistent and to ensure they follow the rules. The onus is on Apple to follow that standard. It's not Foxconn's, it's not ours... it's Apple's. In my opinion, Foxconn has a moral responsibility to ensure that their employees are safe and happy but that's relative. Remember, we're talking about two separate worlds: China and the United States. Our labour standards are different from theirs. Whether it is morally correct for them to do this, it's up to the culture and beliefs of the person interpretting. @Billy Mays, tu quoque arguements are irrelevant to this course of discussion. All companies to a certain degree are at fault. Apple is being singled out in this instance because of their purported standards. If they fail, the onus is on them, not on other computer manufacturers. If other manufacturers do the same, they will be known. In regards to the argument of 'at least they have a job', although it is true that they are employed, it doesn't make it morally correct or even ethically correct for that matter. If you or anyone purports equality (esp in our society), then your argument is inconsistent with your belief. You might want to reconsider your beliefs or statement if you're really arguing 'at least they have a job' I'm happy to see that corporations like Apple, Microsoft are seeing the light on these matters. It's just silly to see that everyone jumps on the hate train every time a company fails to meet their standard. In my opinion, it is just silly to argue over these things and not actually do something about them. If you want change, it means giving up certain pleasures (Apple is one of them). Knowing fanboys of any company (doesn't matter if its Apple, Microsoft), they won't. -------------------------- I'll make a simple example, Asus manufacturers a lot of their hardware in Taiwan (arguably China if you must, but not really...). Arguably speaking there are parts in their hardware that could have been made in China if we didn't know, that being said since there's no way to confirm except do independent audits, we can't say for certain. ------------------------ Apple holds their products to such a high standard, they hold their company to such high standards, they make so much profit because of that. However, at what cost? There are more ethical/moral implications than one would think other than mistreating workers. Apple is, will be, always the one at fault just like any company that chooses to purport perfection, high standards (wonderful magical thinking in my opinion). Until they realise that they're just a bland as all the other tech companies out there and ACTUALLY look to differentiate themselves from a standpoint of social responsibility, corporate responsibility (PR stuff lovely) and do something about it. They won't stand a chance when there are people out there, that will rip them apart for any mistakes on their standards. ----------- Edited January 27, 2012 by enigma# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Jelly Jiggler Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I hate apple, ipods, ipads, and any computer they make. I bought a mp3 that cost me 20 dollars that does the same things as ipods do, I dontfeel like paying 100 extra for a brand name. My android phone also does what ever an ipod touch can do so why buy one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slophole Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 not at all surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60Seconds Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Of course Apple is at fault here, but you really think that they are gonna build stuff in the US? My Macbook is too expensive as it is, it would probably cost $3000 if they made it in the US, and thats with using minimum wage workers. Then the union comes along, and demands raises and benefits for the employees. See where I'm taking this? I have no doubt that Apple knew what was going on at Foxconn, but I really don't care. You want your products cheap? Thats why your products are cheap. If Apple didn't use Foxconn, we'd have to pay $600 for iPhones. Also, the quality of the product would probably be the same as if it were built here. I'm satisfied with the quality of my iPhone. I've dropped it into the pool before and when I got it out, just so I could possibly get my music and files onto a new phone, it was working fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingless Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Of course Apple is at fault here, but you really think that they are gonna build stuff in the US? My Macbook is too expensive as it is, it would probably cost $3000 if they made it in the US, and thats with using minimum wage workers. Then the union comes along, and demands raises and benefits for the employees. See where I'm taking this? I have no doubt that Apple knew what was going on at Foxconn, but I really don't care. You want your products cheap? Thats why your products are cheap. If Apple didn't use Foxconn, we'd have to pay $600 for iPhones. Also, the quality of the product would probably be the same as if it were built here. I'm satisfied with the quality of my iPhone. I've dropped it into the pool before and when I got it out, just so I could possibly get my music and files onto a new phone, it was working fine. No. The BOM for the TOP LINE 4S is about 245 dollars, and the 15 gig runs about $188. Estimated manufacturing costs are currently about 8 dollars, which leaves Apple with a fucking absurd profit margin per unit. Yes, there is R&D and all of that jazz involved with the hardware and software life cycles, but they're making back the cost of production twice over. If they wanted to, they have room to NOT use Fox, but they're aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma# Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Of course Apple is at fault here, but you really think that they are gonna build stuff in the US? My Macbook is too expensive as it is, it would probably cost $3000 if they made it in the US, and thats with using minimum wage workers. Then the union comes along, and demands raises and benefits for the employees. See where I'm taking this? I have no doubt that Apple knew what was going on at Foxconn, but I really don't care. You want your products cheap? Thats why your products are cheap. If Apple didn't use Foxconn, we'd have to pay $600 for iPhones. Also, the quality of the product would probably be the same as if it were built here. I'm satisfied with the quality of my iPhone. I've dropped it into the pool before and when I got it out, just so I could possibly get my music and files onto a new phone, it was working fine. Actually it wouldn't, localised products aren't always as expensive as it means to be. I think here in Canada, buying a shirt made here in Canada versus made in a third world country is only slightly more expensive. It's a matter of how much profit one wants to make. China's economy is different from the American economy, we share similar goals but our systems and people are different. Don't change the subject and argue from the standpoint of what you like or what you believe is of quality. It's irrelevant to the discussion of what Apple did/doing. Moreover, frankly none of us care that you don't care, in my opinion it's just more ridiculous that you can argue such things without understanding the magnitude of implications you choose to ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyHorse Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 No. The BOM for the TOP LINE 4S is about 245 dollars, and the 15 gig runs about $188. Estimated manufacturing costs are currently about 8 dollars, which leaves Apple with a fucking absurd profit margin per unit. Yes, there is R&D and all of that jazz involved with the hardware and software life cycles, but they're making back the cost of production twice over. If they wanted to, they have room to NOT use Fox, but they're aren't. this Actually it wouldn't, localised products aren't always as expensive as it means to be. I think here in Canada, buying a shirt made here in Canada versus made in a third world country is only slightly more expensive. It's a matter of how much profit one wants to make. China's economy is different from the American economy, we share similar goals but our systems and people are different. Don't change the subject and argue from the standpoint of what you like or what you believe is of quality. It's irrelevant to the discussion of what Apple did/doing. Moreover, frankly none of us care that you don't care, in my opinion it's just more ridiculous that you can argue such things without understanding the magnitude of implications you choose to ignore. and this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyLlama Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 How would you even know they're telling the truth? Someone can just as easily create two "under-age factory workers" from their imagination. I'm not trying to be an asshole here, and I know this happens in certain parts of the world (including some parts of China) but, can we really trust someone from buisnessinsider? I've heards lots of made-up crap coming from them time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingless Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 How would you even know they're telling the truth? Someone can just as easily create two "under-age factory workers" from their imagination. I'm not trying to be an asshole here, and I know this happens in certain parts of the world (including some parts of China) but, can we really trust someone from buisnessinsider? I've heards lots of made-up crap coming from them time to time. Because they have a prior record of doing this shit, and it's much more likely that they're continuing to follow this pattern than not. The same reason why companies in the States that do a lot of manual labor get caught hiring illegals all the time, pay the fine when they get audited, and then do it all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyLlama Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Because they have a prior record of doing this shit, and it's much more likely that they're continuing to follow this pattern than not. The same reason why companies in the States that do a lot of manual labor get caught hiring illegals all the time, pay the fine when they get audited, and then do it all over again. Hmm... I didn't know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelloImKevin Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 im close to completing my apple family (only need the macbook pro ). thanks prius :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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