[not abuse] Adam 10Man Gag Abuse + Spectate Rule Clarification

[LazaHorse]

1. Abuser name: HG | Adam [A] and Rule Breaking by iDigital, Plastered, and Some other spec

2. Their Steam Id: STEAM_0:1:28817017

3. What server: Dallas 3

4. About what time: ~12:45 PM EST on May 26th

5. PROOF:

Steam IDs: http://zhost.hellsgamers.com/u/tg/steam_ids.jpg

4 Spectators (5 including SourceTV): http://zhost.hellsgamers.com/u/8x/four_specs.jpg

Asking them to leave:

http://zhost.hellsgamers.com/u/ri/telling_them_to_leave.jpg

http://zhost.hellsgamers.com/u/w3/telling_them_to_leave_2.jpg

Adam Talking in All Chat About the Rule: http://zhost.hellsgamers.com/u/kg/adam_in_all_chat.jpg

Adam Gagging Me: http://zhost.hellsgamers.com/u/iw/gag.jpg

 

6. Please tell us about the incident:

So the 10man rule about spectators from what I know is that you may only spectate when waiting and ready to sub for someone. I think Plastered joined first with #Sub in his name, apparently subbing for someone. He never did... and on him joining I asked him to leave and watch through SourceTV unless someone had asked him to come sub. Later, Absolute came and subbed instead, leaving Plastered and eventually iDigital and whoever "james harden's beard" is to sit in spectate together with Adam. I understand the rule is if you're waiting to sub you can spec (something that is vague in itself TBH), but you do not need FOUR subs for a ten man.

 

I asked again for them to leave because last thing I needed with those seemingly "stacked" teams was someone ghosting. Plastered felt the need to call me a troll and an asshole for simply wanting rules to be followed during a ten man I was playing in. Adam then typed out the rule in all chat, and after I explained that you don't need 4 people to sub unless the Taliban nuked the entire eastern seaboard, he gagged me. I then ACTUALLY had one of them sub and left because I did not want to deal with that kind of BS anymore.

 

The no spec rule and SourceTV are in place for a reason. Can we get some clarification as to who can/cannot sub? You don't need 4 subs for a 10man that no one had expressed a desire to leave. To use that as a crutch for why they shouldn't have left the server is ridiculous.

[Adam]

13. If you want to spectate you must go through SourceTV to spectate the match

unless you are readily available to sub for someone at any giving time of the match.

 

This is the rule pulled strait from the channel description. Everyone in spec was ready to sub if needed. None of them were bothering you in any way. You need to stop attempting to nitpick the rules and just grow up.

[LazaHorse]

13. If you want to spectate you must go through SourceTV to spectate the match

unless you are readily available to sub for someone at any giving time of the match.

 

This is the rule pulled strait from the channel description. Everyone in spec was ready to sub if needed. None of them were bothering you in any way. You need to stop attempting to nitpick the rules and just grow up.

 

That's fine and dandy. But we don't need FOUR PEOEPLE ready to sub for a ten man. TWO is plenty, the rest can go find something to do with their lives. I don't know who Plastered is or that other guy, and I had a concern about people ghosting. Instead of ADHERING TO THE RULES and paying mind to that, you told me to shut up and gagged me.

 

Stupidest part was that after being gagged, only way I could actually ASK ONE OF THEM to sub was to change my name three times. Defeats the whole point of having multiple subs if you can't ask them to sub for you.

[Adam]

That's fine and dandy. But we don't need FOUR PEOEPLE ready to sub for a ten man. TWO is plenty, the rest can go find something to do with their lives. I don't know who Plastered is or that other guy, and I had a concern about people ghosting. Instead of ADHERING TO THE RULES and paying mind to that, you told me to shut up and gagged me.

 

Stupidest part was that after being gagged, only way I could actually ASK ONE OF THEM to sub was to change my name three times. Defeats the whole point of having multiple subs if you can't ask them to sub for you.

If you check your proof i said "stop" in admin chat. Then you continued and i gagged you.

[LazaHorse]

If you check your proof i said "stop" in admin chat. Then you continued and i gagged you.

 

That's fine and all, but I was expressing a legitimate concern about potential ghosting, one that you as a CSS DA in particular should be taking seriously instead of blowing it off as me just "nitpicking." If it were long-standing or well-known members of HG whom I can trust not do that, then I wouldn't have a problem. But there were two people I literally don't know, and I didn't want anything they may/may not be doing affecting the game I was a part of.

[Plastered]

Lazarus, I joined the server & was trying to figure out who you were since you had changed your name. When you died i said "imposter" because your name was Cuki Monster and not Lazarus like most of us know you as. You instantly start bagging on me, proclaiming i'm new and sarcastically "welcoming" me to HG. I have been here for long enough for everyone in that server to know I am not a recruit or a new comer to HG. I asked you to stop trolling because it made you seem like an asshole and you didnt. I was the first sub in spectate and even had sub in my name like you said. I was ready to sub but happened to be taking SS of console when Taylor needed her sub because I knew something would come of this rubbish. Please to not post 1-sided evidence and then make claims that are not entirely true.

 

http://zhost.hellsgamers.com/u/5t/2012-05-26_00001.jpg

 

http://zhost.hellsgamers.com/u/xh/2012-05-26_00002.jpg

 

http://zhost.hellsgamers.com/u/o9/2012-05-26_00003.jpg

 

http://zhost.hellsgamers.com/u/1j/2012-05-26_00004.jpg

 

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[LazaHorse]

You may ask anyone who I've talked with in Teamspeak since this incident or my own team, I legitimately do not know/remember you. I was detailing rules thinking you were a newly promoted member, because I did not recognize your name.

 

The rest of it is irrelevant to the report and should be moved to your own ban request if you honestly see fit. This is an abuse report and a request for rule clarification, not an open thread for people to throw around accusations.

[Weeman]

If you think 4 members of the HG community are going to ghost against you then why the heck are you in this community to begin with? Why not put some trust into your fellow members?

[Jake]

If you think 4 members of the HG community are going to ghost against you then why the heck are you in this community to begin with? Why not put some trust into your fellow members?

 

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4 people want to sub? I can see how you might find it excessive, although no rules were being broken.

No need to sit there an keep arguing about it in the server and give sarcastic ass remarks, even after you were told by a DA to drop it.

Just another argument that was unneeded by both parties.

[bigjohnMS]

The rules are ppl are allowed to spec only to sub noone can sub that is afk and spectators shouldnt be talkin during matches. That said next time if u feel someone is ghosting get one of them to sub and leave server. Thanks.