JaX Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) Sup folks. I've been looking @ new pc's for some time now.. trying to find the real performance difference between amd and intel i5 and i7. If you would be so kind to help me with a build for say 1k. I would be highly appreicated. here's what it has to have. 1) killer graphix.. those whom 10man in HG know im playing with a 50-70ish fps.. Im about ready to toss this pc through the wall OR just take it out in the back yard and shoot it a few times with my glock19.. Im thinking 560ti or 1 above that.. i want css at 300 frames. and be able to run bf3 WELL...not just get by.. but have great graphix in bf3.. 2) cd/dvd reader/writer/blu ray.. 3) shitload of ram. NO LIQUID COOLING...I WANT BIG FANS..To keep it more then cool... if i cared about noise.. I'd FILE FOR DIVORCE. LOL HERE'S A FEW I LOOKED AT... comments and ideas are wanted.. THANKS IN ADVANCE :dual: http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Mega_Special_III/ http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/2012_Paladin_E WILL spend 800-1k if its worth it.. Edited June 19, 2012 by JaX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychopath Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I wouldn't really go the pre-built route. You'll get more for your money if you do it yourself. I JUST built mine (within the last week) and im really happy with how it turned out. Wait for like annoymau5 to read this. He built mine for around 800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRkMaN Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 As already said, build it yourself! Killer graphix.. 560ti... nosense. I've got a 560ti 448 cores which is nearly on the same level like the GTX570 and I can't even record Bf3 playing cuz my FPS is dropping often under 20. It usually has 40-55 probably so I'd go with a GTX 670. Used GTX 580 are also handled by around 250€ if this is an option for you. AMD, i5 or i7.... that's a longer story. We would need to know what do you want to run, such as games and/or programs. Only for games: i5 2400 or if you want to overclock 2500k. If you're also rendering movies and/or 3D modelling better an i7 2600 or 2600k depends if you want to overclock or not. A midway of price and such would be the server CPU Xeon E3-1230 which is as strong as an i7 (SMT and 3.2Ghz) but can't be overclocked. I did not mention here Ivy CPU's cuz I'm not a big fan of it, it really limits the OC. AMD is another thing, cheap but also not that powerful as Intel. If you want to spend up to 1k don't go with AMD, not worth it at all. Ram.. 4Gb is enough but since you can get 2x4Gb for just 40 bugs I definitelly would go with this. Never had any problems... Power supply and Mainboard depends on if you want to overclock or not, also if you want to run SLI later on and which case you want to have (for front USB3 you need internal USB3). The case is always a question of your personal mind. And do u really need a BlueRay drive? No liquid cooling is fine, it'd eat up as much as you want to spend for your whole comp. The CPU cooler depends on if you want to overclock or not and for graphic I'd suggest to go with the Asus DCII models, thus a fucking freezer srsly... So yeah, which games/programs and do you want to overclock or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onison13 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 If you want killer Graphics and Performance for right at a grand, it would be best to build it yourself. and to save money from processor for your GPU, I would go with AMD. IMO, AMD is not only a fraction of the cost of intel, but they can easily out perform Intel. Here is a build that would get you running BF3 on Ultra and other thangs, mind you this does not include a monitor. https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=17352491 1 Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with Upgraded USB 3.0 $99.99 1 Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EALX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $99.99 1 ASRock 970 PRO3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard $74.99 1 SAPPHIRE 11188-22-20G Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (OC Edition) $199.99 1 SONY Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1681S-0B - OEM $17.00 1 AZZA Titan 1000W PSAZ-1000A14 ATX & EPS 12V v2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply $115.99 1 Rosewill RCR-IC001 40-in-1 USB 2.0 3.5" Internal Card Reader w/ USB Port / Extra Silver Face Plate $9.99 1 Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM $11.99 1 Patriot G2 Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model PGQ316G1600ELQK $88.99 1 AMD FX-6200 Zambezi 3.8GHz (4.1GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor FD6200FRGUBOX $159.99 1 COOLER MASTER Hyper N 520 RR-920-N520-GP 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Intel Core i7 compatible $37.99 1 Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe MKNSSDCL40GB-DX 2.5" 40GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $59.99 Subtotal: $976.89 If you order this soon, Your graphics card is built for BF3 & Dirt3, so they are giving you coupons to redeem them for free on Origin. As I said in the other builds I post I can have this built, optimized, and fully set up ready to go in a weeks time. This is the biggest bang for your buck that I can get ya. It is also set up so you can buy another one of the GPUs, and Crossfire them to get even more power out of the cards. Oh and your 560ti you wanted... I got you a 9650, cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma# Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 If you want to go down the prebuilt route (like you've listed in your OP), I would probably suggest going around the 1K mark if you really want to push your computer. That being said, what video card are you running? Source isn't really a bandwidth (gpu-speaking at least) intensive game compared to the newer games that are RTM. Source overall is more CPU bound than GPU-bound. RAM-wise I would say anything more than 8 GB is overkill unless you plan to multitask and have multiple instances of games (e.g.) If you want an overall killer card, go with the GTX 670 and get it overclocked, it has similar performance to the GTX680 (Which right now, holds the crown for best single GPU, by many review sites, not just by me xD). Mind you it's not a cheap card, it can cost anywhere between 400$-500$ retail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaX Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 Enigma, Prius said you would answer soon lol.. Said you were the man when it came to this kind of stuff.. anyway if you had 1100 cash in hand and needed something to run bf3 VERY WELL... what would you get?.. All that will be on this thing is windows7 c-strike BF3 ( i want it to have killer graphix in bf3 ) music movies ( not many ) i go to 1 chan and watch everything there instead of dling it.. NOTE. for now.. IF i could find a better card for the pc i have now.. id just go have something put in and call it good for a few months till i get cash together. ( bills come 1st :o0:and im on a 2 week vacation ) so i know it wouldnt be till aug till i got this thing. my pc is this TURD HP MODEL p6653w http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c02479700&lang=en&cc=us&taskId=115&contentType=SupportFAQ&prodSeriesId=4269976&prodTypeId=12454 i also found someone else having the same deal ( googled ) http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Audio-Video-Monitors/Video-Card-upgrade-p6653w/td-p/460209 thanks for any help you can provide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma# Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) 1100 is a pretty flexible budget. Ivy Bridge (mid level processor) 8 GB of RAM Max A decent motherboard (personally I'd go with the Sabertooth X77, but that's just me =D) eVGA GTX670 FTW (retails for $430 dollars) ~ maybe a variant like asus or eVGA SC's version of the 670) 1TB HDD is more than enough (seagate is a good brand), unless you plan to download alot. 650W is more than enough and should have some headway. Let me see if I can do anything with the links you gave me =3 Don't waste your money on a case unless you're planning to expose your epeen. Edited June 19, 2012 by enigma# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychopath Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Yeah no case. Use a pizza box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma# Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 1100 is a pretty flexible budget. Ivy Bridge (mid level processor) 8 GB of RAM Max A decent motherboard (personally I'd go with the Sabertooth X77, but that's just me =D) eVGA GTX670 FTW (retails for $430 dollars) ~ maybe a variant like asus or eVGA SC's version of the 670) 1TB HDD is more than enough (seagate is a good brand), unless you plan to download alot. 650W is more than enough and should have some headway. Let me see if I can do anything with the links you gave me =3 Don't waste your money on a case unless you're planning to expose your epeen. You might have to pay more if you go down the GTX670 route. hmm, but other than that, you should be fine with what I suggested above if you intend on rebuilding it. Do you want to go with custom building it (building it yourself)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRkMaN Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Not sure if you have mention anything of what I've said but yeah, it's everybodys own decision if he hears of someone with knowledge or of ppl who are just saying what they think. If you want you're welcome to go with a shitdozer FX-6200 which gets already owned by a Phenom 2 quad core. If you want you also can go with a oversized 650 watt power supply eventhough 400 would be enough. I can just facepalm.. you guys are really forgetting the point and background of everything. @Enigma 400watt power supply is enough for an Ivy and the GTX670. You also forgot to mention that Ivys are more worse to overclock than Sandys. So if he wants to overclock, he should go with the Sandy. That Ivys are not that well in OCing is caused by the higher heat creating due the 22nm technology. So far this point. Rest looks ok. @Onison13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma# Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 If you want you're welcome to go with a shitdozer FX-6200 which gets already owned by a Phenom 2 quad core. If you want you also can go with a oversized 650 watt power supply eventhough 400 would be enough. I can just facepalm.. you guys are really forgetting the point and background of everything. @Enigma 400watt power supply is enough for an Ivy and the GTX670. You also forgot to mention that Ivys are more worse to overclock than Sandys. So if he wants to overclock, he should go with the Sandy. That Ivys are not that well in OCing is caused by the higher heat creating due the 22nm technology. So far this point. Rest looks ok. NO! Although he could get away with a 400 Watt PSU, it better be of quality at least. You'd want to get more so should your load increase beyond the standard percentage (50%), as well it is good future proofing measure. You seem adament about getting only what is the absolute minimum necessary. I digress, having a 650 Watt PSU allows him to add on different components in the future and as well, saves him the hassle of buying another PSU should he want to. My computer hits about 400-500 watts under load (depending on what I play), it doesn't make sense to have a 400 watt PSU if it's gonna hit 400 watts under load. Besides, 400 watts is usually the PEAK wattage it can hit not the nominal. It would be foolish to buy one under that precedent ALONE. IvyBridge is considered a big step up and can overlock fairly well with exceptions due to the introduction of the trigate technology (transistor leakage is attributed to the issue at hand). So It's up to him whether he wants to buy something that is fairly newer. If you're an extreme overclocker, you're right but other than for the beginner hobbyist that likes to mess around with clock/voltage settings. IvyBridge is fine. UEFI-based BIOSes make it easier for the everyday user to overclock without too many issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRkMaN Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 NO! Although he could get away with a 400 Watt PSU, it better be of quality at least. You'd want to get more so should your load increase beyond the standard percentage (50%), as well it is good future proofing measure. You seem adament about getting only what is the absolute minimum necessary. I digress, having a 650 Watt PSU allows him to add on different components in the future and as well, saves him the hassle of buying another PSU should he want to. My computer hits about 400-500 watts under load (depending on what I play), it doesn't make sense to have a 400 watt PSU if it's gonna hit 400 watts under load. Besides, 400 watts is usually the PEAK wattage it can hit not the nominal. It would be foolish to buy one under that precedent ALONE. IvyBridge is considered a big step up and can overlock fairly well with exceptions due to the introduction of the trigate technology (transistor leakage is attributed to the issue at hand). So It's up to him whether he wants to buy something that is fairly newer. If you're an extreme overclocker, you're right but other than for the beginner hobbyist that likes to mess around with clock/voltage settings. IvyBridge is fine. UEFI-based BIOSes make it easier for the everyday user to overclock without too many issues. 400 WOULD be alright, yeah. I'd go with a corsair 450, ofc the quality is important. But I think quality is better than quantity. In my opinion 650 are just oversized and you can save up to 20 bugs if you get a lower one which also does his work perfectly. Also for the future, what we actually see is just hardware which saves up the power consumption. While the GTX 560ti 448 cores has been using 210 watt, the GTX 670 is fine with 175. CPU isn't really another matter, sandy goes with 95 watt and Ivy with 77 watt. Altough the Ivy is marked with 95 watt TDP which isn't really true. Specialist are guessing that intel might planning stronger CPU's which use the 95 watt but currently only 77 are used. So, what I actually want to say with this point is that it is getting LESS and not more. Hobby overclocking or pro overclocking, the results with sandys are always better and when I heard that Ivys finish in most cases with 4.3Ghz then I can just say NO. I have not said Ivys are bad nor did I say don't buy one, I've just said that YOU forgot to mention this things to the guy who asks for help. I'm realizing here a big lack of informations which should be asked to the guy who asks for help cuz he probably doesn't know as much as we do. This is just a lil critic from my side what here could be improved and I accept critic as well. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma# Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I suppose it's up to him in the end SandyBridge has awesome OC capabilities and slightly higher base wattage whereas IvyBridge has decent OC capability with lower base wattage. As per the PSU, it is really up to him. He could go with 500~600 and still be fine. nVidia does recommend however 500 watts minimum for a GTX670. I only support having a bigger PSU if he plans to upgrade often or upgrade parts significantly in the near future other than that, it really doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onison13 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 NO! Although he could get away with a 400 Watt PSU, it better be of quality at least. You'd want to get more so should your load increase beyond the standard percentage (50%), as well it is good future proofing measure. You seem adament about getting only what is the absolute minimum necessary. I digress, having a 650 Watt PSU allows him to add on different components in the future and as well, saves him the hassle of buying another PSU should he want to. My computer hits about 400-500 watts under load (depending on what I play), it doesn't make sense to have a 400 watt PSU if it's gonna hit 400 watts under load. Besides, 400 watts is usually the PEAK wattage it can hit not the nominal. It would be foolish to buy one under that precedent ALONE. IvyBridge is considered a big step up and can overlock fairly well with exceptions due to the introduction of the trigate technology (transistor leakage is attributed to the issue at hand). So It's up to him whether he wants to buy something that is fairly newer. If you're an extreme overclocker, you're right but other than for the beginner hobbyist that likes to mess around with clock/voltage settings. IvyBridge is fine. UEFI-based BIOSes make it easier for the everyday user to overclock without too many issues. I agree with Enigma, going with bare minimum causes problem (especially with OCing) as his load increases it can easily draw power over 400, even if it was just under 400, constant running on a PSU right under peak load rating causes the PSU to die within a year or two, this has happened to a friend of mine. plus running at peak causes more heat, which would need more fans to keep cool, which draws more power, ect. I would go with a 650, it is not that much more and it gives leway if he wants to add more later on and upgrade. MSI motherboards has OC tweak-ages that auto OC so it can push out more power while staying in the safe zones. I have not messed with IvyBridge so can not say anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyHorse Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 @onison and darkman....both of you are on crack Anywho, Heres a build i threw together. Personally i'd stay away from the ivy bridges right now, heat issues when OCing compared to the sandybridge chips. http://grab.by/egqI total $1102 If you are dead set on getting a 6 series card, you'll either have to save up a bit more money, or wait for the 660s to come out. a 570 will play bf3 in ultra with no problems and i have no idea what darkman is saying about a 560ti 448 not being able to handle bf3...i can run it on high with a 550ti (low end card) Maybe cpu bottleneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRkMaN Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 @onison and darkman....both of you are on crack Anywho, Heres a build i threw together. Personally i'd stay away from the ivy bridges right now, heat issues when OCing compared to the sandybridge chips. http://grab.by/egqI total $1102 If you are dead set on getting a 6 series card, you'll either have to save up a bit more money, or wait for the 660s to come out. a 570 will play bf3 in ultra with no problems and i have no idea what darkman is saying about a 560ti 448 not being able to handle bf3...i can run it on high with a 550ti (low end card) Maybe cpu bottleneck Ye, I'm on crack but you're repeating what I've said about the CPU. SENSE?! I'm using the Asus GTX 560 ti 448 cores overclocked to 820Mhz and I can NOT run Bf3 on Ultra (except FXAA) and record with fraps. That ends in laggy 20 FPS shit with a lot of drops and that makes me not happy if you understand that. And ye, ofc suggest a 100 bugs case (let this choice to him) and a god damn 230 bugs mainboard, hell one for 150 would do the same and then there's money for a stronger card. About the 1600Mhz Ram which is not supported by Sandy Bridge and also does not bring a realizable performance update will be nfin said k.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaX Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 i know nothing when it comes to building a pc. i have a few distant friends that could build one im sure. thanks for all the info. please post more builds.. if i have to spend 11-1200. thats fine honestly. Id rather spend a little more for a beast machine that will last awhile so when posting.. OVERBUILD some.. i7 is the way to go. I know nothing about over clocking.. just know that when it gets built.. it will remain how it is. thanks.. My boy killah runs a 560ti and likes it for bf3.. if the 670 is more for better graphix.. thats fine.. wish there was a way to upgrade this turd till aug.. this 50-70fps in source is getting old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyHorse Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Ye, I'm on crack but you're repeating what I've said about the CPU. SENSE?!I'm using the Asus GTX 560 ti 448 cores overclocked to 820Mhz and I can NOT run Bf3 on Ultra (except FXAA) and record with fraps. That ends in laggy 20 FPS shit with a lot of drops and that makes me not happy if you understand that. And ye, ofc suggest a 100 bugs case (let this choice to him) and a god damn 230 bugs mainboard, hell one for 150 would do the same and then there's money for a stronger card. About the 1600Mhz Ram which is not supported by Sandy Bridge and also does not bring a realizable performance update will be nfin said k.. again, 1600mhz is supported with an XMP profile...Also, go take some english classes. I cant understand a fucking word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma# Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 i know nothing when it comes to building a pc. i have a few distant friends that could build one im sure. thanks for all the info. please post more builds.. if i have to spend 11-1200. thats fine honestly. Id rather spend a little more for a beast machine that will last awhile so when posting.. OVERBUILD some.. i7 is the way to go. I know nothing about over clocking.. just know that when it gets built.. it will remain how it is. thanks.. My boy killah runs a 560ti and likes it for bf3.. if the 670 is more for better graphix.. thats fine.. wish there was a way to upgrade this turd till aug.. this 50-70fps in source is getting old. A 560TI would still be a massive upgrade for you Adding a GTX670 would be even greater. For budget purposes, you can exclude the 670 if you feel it'll be too expensive. I would say it's up to you. The 680 when it came out was supposed to be one of the best cards nVidia put out, the 670 by far I've seen if overclocked would beat the 680 (stock). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaX Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 again, 1600mhz is supported with an XMP profile...Also, go take some english classes. I cant understand a fucking word LOL:bazooka: IF you just went outright and bought one.. ( configd @ ibuy or @ cyber power... what would you get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonyHorse Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 LOL:bazooka: IF you just went outright and bought one.. ( configd @ ibuy or @ cyber power... what would you get? Well, if you're talking about video cards the chances of getting a 670 within your price range is almost 0. If you want to upgrade slowly, grab a 560 and throw it in your current PC until you can get the rest of the parts. Make sure your PSU can handle it though You could always get a second 560 and throw them in SLI, which would out perform a 580 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRkMaN Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Well, if you're talking about video cards the chances of getting a 670 within your price range is almost 0. If you want to upgrade slowly, grab a 560 and throw it in your current PC until you can get the rest of the parts. Make sure your PSU can handle it though You could always get a second 560 and throw them in SLI, which would out perform a 580 And which also causes micro-laggs. Do not forget to add this, some persons, like me, are realizing them well and get pissed off by that. That's why I won't run SLI with the 5xx but save up money for the 7xx series which will have a better SLI performance but the 6xx already working great in SLI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma# Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 And which also causes micro-laggs. Do not forget to add this, some persons, like me, are realizing them well and get pissed off by that. That's why I won't run SLI with the 5xx but save up money for the 7xx series which will have a better SLI performance but the 6xx already working great in SLI. We don't know shit about the GeForce 700 series. Right now, all there are floating around the internet are pictures of the GPU itself and supposed benchmarks of the GTX780/790 There are a lot of people who doubt the authenticity of these benchmarks. As well we can only assume that the GTX700 series will be better, however, it seems to me that it'll be just a Kepler refresh rather than a new code name. But we don't know. @anon, depending on what you're doing and what you're willing to sacrifice (i.e. instead of spending 200 bucks on a case, save it and add it towards the 670), iut'll be fair game. I dunno =3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaayer Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 ...record with fraps. I... I found the problem. Also, if you record to an SSD, you'll see a drastic performance increase compared to a HDD. And ye, ofc suggest a 100 bugs case (let this choice to him) and a god damn 230 bugs mainboard, hell one for 150 would do the same. Are insects a new form of currency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranHorse Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I... I found the problem. Also, if you record to an SSD, you'll see a drastic performance increase compared to a HDD. Plaayer you my friend are so right. Many people do not understand how hard it is for the hd while running fraps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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