Papa John Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) Well on a few servers there are various exploits that will allow players to enter areas such as the wall or underground. Some of these positions can be used to spawn camp without giving the opposing player any way to possible kill them. What this leads to one team basically just shutting down the other team in their spawn, which leads to people just leaving the server because its not fun if you cannot surf at all. Here are my reason why these should be punishable spots: First off the MOTD clearly states that there is No Exploits allowed: Secondly on places like melons spots like this not only make people in the Jail Extremely easy to kill but also people on top of Jail and the Legit way to get behind the mountain as shown here: From inside this mountain people can easily camp spawn and no give players on the opposing team any chance to kill them. Before I could get some more SS's, the map changed so when it comes back up I will add more. However it is fairly easy to see that exploits because now there is about 10 people in the server compared to 25 previously...If its completely ok then that is fine, I just wanted to bring it up so that the player base wouldn't be crushed by this. ~John Please Note: This isn't that I want to see the rule enforced more, its a question of if this is acceptable or not. Edited July 30, 2009 by Papa John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkster Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Papa thats not an exploit, it's a part of the map. Takes some skill to get there. . . Not mutch thoe. . . But the one you used in forbidnen_tomb hiding behind a glitched wall infront of spawn is. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG.Z Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 hey dude , i saw you once in surf server. The players on the picture are glitching . Theres alot of maps that you can glitch. ill show when i get on it / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa John Posted July 24, 2009 Author Share Posted July 24, 2009 Clearly your not understanding what I am trying to say here. I am asking which spots on which maps are considered Exploiting. I know how to get to these spots, though most of the time once one person gets in you cannot get to it because anyone can clearly snipe you before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurfy Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 on that one map like caves or something the "glitch" seems like it supposed to be there because theres a platform to stand on lol and melons isnt fun without using that spot =[ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN4M3D Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I swear that isn't part of the map.. The room next to it is but them guys are in the rocks But something I'd be more concerned about is spamming the meteors, lags the server like hell if someone was to spam the button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandium Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 If you are inside a wall and can see the map, yet you cannot be seen, is considered exploiting. I wouldn't care if lots of people do it. If they are caught doing it and keep doing it, they should be banned. They can debate that all they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkster Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 They can debate that all they want. lol, you obviously do not know about surfing. There are secrets added to nearly all surf maps, that teleports you to a hidden place or secret advantage. . No exploit what so ever, they are built in as a part of the map. . . If you where to ban for that then you fail, it takes some skill to get to most of these parts and they are built in by map creator to award skilled surfers. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingless Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 lol, you obviously do not know about surfing. There are secrets added to nearly all surf maps, that teleports you to a hidden place or secret advantage. . No exploit what so ever, they are built in as a part of the map. . . If you where to ban for that then you fail, it takes some skill to get to most of these parts and they are built in by map creator to award skilled surfers. . . . This is where you usually be less of a jackass and cite specific examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkster Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Sry wing, but im not gonna tell evry one how to get there, Jail 3 in forbidden_ways 2, to enter it you need to activate a button i spawn, then surf to a fairly easy part of the map, crouch jump into a hidden hole in the wall, and boom you are in jail 3. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandium Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 lol, you obviously do not know about surfing. There are secrets added to nearly all surf maps, that teleports you to a hidden place or secret advantage. . No exploit what so ever, they are built in as a part of the map. . . If you where to ban for that then you fail, it takes some skill to get to most of these parts and they are built in by map creator to award skilled surfers. . . . You're right I don't play that dumbass shit. I was talking map exploits, not teleported positions. And if I banned you, it would be win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkster Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 If i got banned for using my knowlege about surf maps, id laugh and never return. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingless Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 If i got banned for using my knowlege about surf maps, id laugh and never return. . . I think that was the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandium Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 If i got banned for using my knowlege about surf maps, id laugh and never return. . . Your knowledge from spectating good surfers. And when you are banned, you cannot return. Like he said, that would be the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingless Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandium Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I actually liked your pre-edit reply better. I lol'd. Hard. My coworkers are looking at me funny now. lol :guyfromhell: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkster Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 wow vandium, some stuff in surfing require skill wheter you belive it or not. The Hg surf setting's are so high so that nearly annyone cn surf to annywhere on most maps, making the speed thougher on others thoe. The airaceleration should not be more than maks 200-250 in my opinion. And yes naturly I have speced quite a few good surfer's, but never on anny Hg surf map rotation. No offence but those maps are not skill maps all, surf_geforce is the only one I migth strugle with at times. Back to the point, the "glitches" are built in by the map creator, so that finding em/getting told of them makes the map funner, and alsoe gives a great advantage to "skill surfers". The other nigth I saw peoeple with 105-3 and 108-4 due to knowlege of these spots. . Do what you want, but if people start's getting banned for this, you will end up with only noobs and idiots at that server. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingless Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 makes the map funner. only noobs and idiots at that server. . . . But yeah, I think we already covered the "teleports are fine, but climbing walls or getting stuck inside of rocks, ala dust2, is not" bit. It should be pretty obvious. If they can't see you because you're jammed into terrain, it's probably an exploit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobie Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 On that map papa, most admins say "do not spam Armageddon, or be banned" because I've seen it crash from that :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa John Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 wow vandium, some stuff in surfing require skill wheter you belive it or not.The Hg surf setting's are so high so that nearly annyone cn surf to annywhere on most maps, making the speed thougher on others thoe. The airaceleration should not be more than maks 200-250 in my opinion. And yes naturly I have speced quite a few good surfer's, but never on anny Hg surf map rotation. No offence but those maps are not skill maps all, surf_geforce is the only one I migth strugle with at times. Back to the point, the "glitches" are built in by the map creator, so that finding em/getting told of them makes the map funner, and alsoe gives a great advantage to "skill surfers". The other nigth I saw peoeple with 105-3 and 108-4 due to knowlege of these spots. . Do what you want, but if people start's getting banned for this, you will end up with only noobs and idiots at that server. . . . Skilled Surfing? Are you high? Its crouch jumping through a wall and has nothing to do with surfing. Also I am fairly surf that a developer would put a spot where you can Completely shut down a team and not give them the ability to spawn. This would be stupid because then no one would want to play your map because they cannot actually surf. These exploits on the few maps that have these, kills the server by making the team getting killed all leave. There is only so many times you can take getting killed every three seconds before you just switch to another server. I fail to see your connection between the need to "glitch/exploit" a map just because its easy to surf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingless Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Also I am fairly surf that a developer would put a spot where you can Completely shut down a team and not give them the ability to spawn. lol, Freud. But yeah. What he said. Just because you can wedge yourself between two textures doesn't mean you should. If you've ever been drunk and gotten wedged between your bed and wall while banging your girlfriend, you'd realize it's a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3nL Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 wow vandium, some stuff in surfing require skill wheter you belive it or not.The Hg surf setting's are so high so that nearly annyone cn surf to annywhere on most maps, making the speed thougher on others thoe. The airaceleration should not be more than maks 200-250 in my opinion. And yes naturly I have speced quite a few good surfer's, but never on anny Hg surf map rotation. No offence but those maps are not skill maps all, surf_geforce is the only one I migth strugle with at times. Back to the point, the "glitches" are built in by the map creator, so that finding em/getting told of them makes the map funner, and alsoe gives a great advantage to "skill surfers". The other nigth I saw peoeple with 105-3 and 108-4 due to knowlege of these spots. . Do what you want, but if people start's getting banned for this, you will end up with only noobs and idiots at that server. . . . Every single one of your posts makes me bash my head against my desk. No map maker intentionally makes an area you can crouch jump through. That's retarded to say that any map maker does that. Even with that added, i don't even understand how you can say that that makes a map "funner". Being able to sit in one spot basically with god mode and just shoot people. Getting a score of 105-3 and 108-4 doesn't make you a good player or a good surfer. It just means you're a shitty player who sits in one spot and does shit but click with no worries. I'm not talking about j2 or j3 on maps. I'm talking about the one's where you shouldn't be able to get into at all. Truce fags make j2 and j3 absolute bull shit. There's one specific map that you can glitch through the wall and basically continually fuck over ct spawn because you have clear view of it and they have a short distance to run before they can surf. I've sat there and tried atleast 10 times to get out of spawn before I got killed by some fa**** camping inside of a wall that I couldn't kill if I tried because of the wall. People like you are the reason I can't fucking stand surf. If we did start banning people for this, we wouldn't be left with noobs and idiots, we'd be left with noobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandium Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I would rather noobs be in there just surfing around the map and having fun. Someone going to a spot and getting 105-3 does not keep the server populated. And I agree when d3n. I have seen a few maps where people camp spawn, and as soon as you spawn you die. That doesn't mean you are good because you can sit and kill people that can't even see you. That is called a noob. And sure I wouldn't mind banning people who empty out a server. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa John Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 I add another glitch spot. I haven't tried but if its possible but van (using you mapping skillz) can you edit each of the two maps above and put a block or something in the way to stop people from getting into the spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkster Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Oh no I fail at 10x and someone is shooting me from outside the jail. . please ban them. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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