XpoZ Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) Sooo... I have a lot of difficulty with beating zerg. I know the most old school opener, FFE is supposedly the safest/easiest/most economical way to open vs zerg, but 1/2 (or even more) of my games it does not work. Either I am not putting the build to it's potential or I need a new build to open with. My main problem is, I either get hit with early lings and the wall (cannon and/or zealot) are not quite ready when the lings hit. And when my opponent sees it, they just que more lings and I am screwed. If I can get out of the opener and do my build as I would like, I typically win the mid-late game macro games against players of my skill level. I have a lot of practice in that area vs my brother who is a mid-high plat zerg player. He's the one who even gave me the FFE build and helped me with it a little. Granted he is a better player than I am, but I win about a third of the games since he doesn't ling rush since he knows I am not quite good at stopping it. I have even tried Gateway Expanding at the ramp between my natural and main bases and I still end up losing the game as my economy is not strong enough to even compete with a zerg who expands s rapidly as zerg should. I am to the point where, I just get too frustrated playing zerg and it then affects my future games vs zerg and I just play them worse and worse. If anyone could help me out here I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you in advance. Edited July 22, 2013 by XpoZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skoty Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 i'm hoping to get HOTS this coming friday (depending on bills) and if I do then i will be more than happy to scrim with ya... in the mean time if you have a stream let me know the times you stream so I can pop on TS with ya and see whats going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XpoZ Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 Unfortunately my desktop got stolen from my house, which f*cking sucks... And all I have left is my laptop which is definitely unable to stream, thankfully I can still play SC2 on it while I save the money up to build another nice desktop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJ Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I can help you out sometime tonight I got bjj class after work than ill see when I can get on unless someone else has helped you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XpoZ Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 I can help you out sometime tonight I got bjj class after work than ill see when I can get on unless someone else has helped you Alright, that would be awesome. I am going to work on it a little throughout the day with my brother and see if I can get it fixed, or somewhat at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNoob Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 If they ling rush before you can get ur wall off, just put a pylon in your mineral line and a cannons and they're fucked. Then you gonna have to go gateway and cybercore before you expand again just to be safe, like get a mothership core to make sure the lings can do anything. They should have absolutely no economy because they obviously cut tons of drones. But SCOUTING is very important to know if he is rushing or not, if you see an early pool then put ur cannon in the mineral line immediatley. Another way which I haven't really tried is to just cut probes and just build tons of buildings (Gateways, pylons are the best) at ur ramp at your natural and hopefully you can do it in time. If you do, put a cannon as soon as your forge finishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XpoZ Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share Posted July 22, 2013 See, I know the timing on all the early pools and when they finish (roughly), but I still have trouble getting the wall up. Never thought of the cannon in mineral line, I will have to try that. Hopefully it holds off long enough for me to get the wall and a zealot or two and a sentry for force fields. Thank you for the tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilpest Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 As terran, I entirely wall off... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StyleeZy Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) TBH, You need to scout extremely early if youre doing FFE. You should be able to prepare for lings on any map and as long as you get your cannon up and your buildings in proper location they should never have enough lings to break it down. Edit: Getting an early sentry can also be really efficient if he queues up a ton of lings, if you stop that you are years ahead. Edited July 23, 2013 by StyleZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilpest Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I've never had a problem with PvZ and their early aggression when doing an FFE... My walls have always been successful and my domination is UNDENIABLE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJ Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I've never had a problem with PvZ and their early aggression when doing an FFE... My walls have always been successful and my domination is UNDENIABLE!!! you only make like 20 probes tho who cares about your wall when I mutas ♡♥♡♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilpest Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 you only make like 20 probes tho who cares about your wall when I mutas ♡♥♡♥ Sounds like Tempests, Archons, or Storms... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJ Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Sounds like Tempests, Archons, or Storms... don't think your apm can handle that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilpest Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Pssh... I bet your ESP can't handle my knifing skills on CS:S... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJ Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Pssh... I bet your ESP can't handle my knifing skills on CS:S... how did this go from sc2 to CSS mr.Dayz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilpest Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Okay... Lemme get my hatchet out then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XpoZ Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 you only make like 20 probes tho who cares about your wall when I mutas ♡♥♡♥ Blink stalkers. GG Mutas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJ Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Blink stalkers. GG Mutas. lings GG blink stalkers, mutas in the main lings at the nat where does you stalkers go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XpoZ Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 lings GG blink stalkers, mutas in the main lings at the nat where does you stalkers go You think I'm not gonna force field and keep them lings out? And colossus will handle them easy enough But I do need to work on my micro :/ So I would prob fuck it up and you'd get in my base, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJ Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 You think I'm not gonna force field and keep them lings out? And colossus will handle them easy enough But I do need to work on my micro :/ So I would prob fuck it up and you'd get in my base, lol ai dont think your able to get colli and blink stalkers at 10 minutes when muta are knocking on your door, but we play some games tonight get ya better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XpoZ Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 ai dont think your able to get colli and blink stalkers at 10 minutes when muta are knocking on your door, but we play some games tonight get ya better could always go fast colossus and have them around 10, but then no blink stalkers. at 10 mins it's one or the other. but yeah, i'm definitely down to play some games tonight. i'm just playing LoL cuz i'm bored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naver Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Hi. I am Earnest and I play protoss. I have some really good pvz builds if you want to know. PM me when I get on later this afternoon !!!! Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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