Ivy 3G Vs Haswell 4G

[XxwonderbredxX]

What's better overall?

 

The Ivy 3G OR the Haswell 4G?

 

AND

 

Is the Haswell 4G worth it (over the Ivy 3G) just because it's a newer Gen, and how my friend so call says "its a little bit better"?

[BranHorse]

Not worth upgrading from either sandy or ivy. Performance doesn't justify the price if you already have an ivy or sandy.

[XxwonderbredxX]

Not worth upgrading from either sandy or ivy. Performance doesn't justify the price if you already have an ivy or sandy.

That's what I thought! But what if you're buying a new notebook? Cause my friend is trying to buy one.

 

Oh, Do you know any decent 21"-23" flat screen monitors for under $150ish. OR like what are the best brands for flat screen pc monitors. Cause I need a second screen that's bigger than the one I'm using now. Its like a 15" monitor. My main monitor is 23".

[IvoryG37]

If you friend doesn't have anything yet then its better to get the Haswell in a laptop. Haswell has better battery life and a better onboard graphic system. Then again it doesn't matter if youre friend gets a gaming laptop but I think gaming laptops are a waste of money.

 

If you're not looking for a monitor immediately then I recommend waiting for a sale on the Asus VG248QE. They usually have sales on them for around 160-200$ and one of the best 23 inch. It has 1ms response time and 144hz refresh rate.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313

 

If you're looking to get one immediately or pretty soon then I recommend either the Asus VN247H-P or the VX238H

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236305

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236307&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Monitors+-+LCD+Flat+Panel-_-ASUS-_-24236307

[enigma#]

Wait are we counting IvyBridge E as well?

As well Haswell-E? :c

Edited December 3, 2013 by Rainbow Warrior

[BranHorse]

Wait are we counting IvyBridge E as well?

As well Haswell-E? :c

Ok Mr. Have a decently paying job.

[enigma#]

Ok Mr. Have a decently paying job.

You know it. Gay porn always pays more yo!

[BranHorse]

You know it. Gay porn always pays more yo!

 

Da butt always pays more.

[XxwonderbredxX]

If you friend doesn't have anything yet then its better to get the Haswell in a laptop. Haswell has better battery life and a better onboard graphic system. Then again it doesn't matter if youre friend gets a gaming laptop but I think gaming laptops are a waste of money.

 

If you're not looking for a monitor immediately then I recommend waiting for a sale on the Asus VG248QE. They usually have sales on them for around 160-200$ and one of the best 23 inch. It has 1ms response time and 144hz refresh rate.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824236313

 

If you're looking to get one immediately or pretty soon then I recommend either the Asus VN247H-P or the VX238H

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824236305

 

http://www.newegg.co...ASUS-_-24236307

SWEET! Imma wait til that first monitor goes on sale! When do they normally go on sale? If you know..

 

Wait are we counting IvyBridge E as well?

As well Haswell-E? :c

Yeah. But whats the difference?

[BranHorse]

SWEET! Imma wait til that first monitor goes on sale! When do they normally go on sale? If you know..

 

 

Yeah. But whats the difference?

$

[enigma#]

Anything older than Sandy Bridge -> Ivy-Bridge E / Haswell (At this point)

Sandy Bridge / Sandy Bridge-E -> Haswell / IvyBridge E

Ivy Bridge / Ivy Bridge-E -> Haswell-E or Broadwell

Haswell -> Broadwell - E or Skylake

[imasonaz]

Let me help you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)#Performance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_microprocessors#Core_i7_2

http://ark.intel.com/

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processor-comparison/compare-intel-processors.html

 

Those should allow you to compare the processors without biased. So far, most of this has been opinion. The first link talks a lot about performance difference, IE: ~6% increase in performance over ivy bridge, with a 8-20% increase in power consumption, harder to overclock to 4.2GHz, runs hotter, with an average of 3% gain.

 

I would say do a direct comparison of 2 processors you're looking at, because they do have a range of performance differences. Also, take into consideration the next generation of Haswell/Broadwell is set for release in Q2 2014 (Spring), so prices on this generation will drop again then.

[enigma#]

What's better overall?

 

The Ivy 3G OR the Haswell 4G?

If we use solely the metric of 'better' in the context of overall: Haswell (I don't know why people use the 4th Gen context when refering to Codenames) is the victor above Ivy-Bridge.

 

To make it simple,

Haswell depending on what build (such as the ULV, LV or high performance, like the Haswell Extreme series processors I'm talking about) have generally lower SDP (Intel doesn't follow the TDP model as much anymore if at all) than their Ivy Bridge/Ivy Bridge E counter parts.

 

Counter to what @imasonz says, it is NOT an increase in power consumption in generations for the most part.

Sandy Bridge's flagship "i7-2600K" had a TDP rating of 95Watts.

Sandy Bridge's Extreme variant (i7-3970x) flagship is pegged at 150Watts TDP

 

In IvyBridge,

The flagship Ivy Bridge processor "i7-3770k has a TDP rating of 77Watts

The flagship Ivy Bridge extreme variant is pegged at 130Watts TDP although you may want to take into account they haven't released a overclocked version of their flagship version yet.

 

In Haswell, the reverse has happened sadly however to keep consistency

The flagship Haswell processor "i7-4771k) is pegged at 84 Watts TDP

 

As you can see, the power difference is a bit higher... to put in context the whole pcture

i7-2600k - 95W @ 3.5 GHz

i7-3770k - 77W @ 3.5 GHz

i7-4771k - 84W @ 3.5 GHz

 

So the question is why does it run at a higher TDP? To the untrained mind, it seems like it would seem like it is more power hungry. However, that is incorrect. Haswell and Ivy Bridge share fairly similar power draws as illustrated in this Tom's Hardware review of the 4770k.

 

I mean you have to take into consideration also that not everyone uses the i7 let alone the i5.

 

The SDP (similar to TDP but not the same) in the ULV/LV (ultra / low voltage) processors like the ones you see in your ultrabook and laptops are a decent improvement over Ivy Bridge.

 

So solely on the metric of it being better or worse overall, get Haswell.

Is the Haswell 4G worth it (over the Ivy 3G) just because it's a newer Gen, and how my friend so call says "its a little bit better"?

 

Depends on the baseline you use to define what is better, if you jump from Ivy Bridge to Haswell Extreme... yes.

 

If you jump from Ivy Bridge i3/i5 -> Haswell i7 as an example, yes.

 

However, the worth value is up to you to assign and not what me or anyone else in this thread says.

For instance, @imasonaz uses a slightly different metric than what most of us would use and he did provide unfortunately some incorrect information as stated in my post above. This is why I'm not a big fan of using percentages without taking into context what we're dealing with here.

 

As a gamer, you would have to take into consideration NOT only the processor but also your PCH/Chipset and GFX card.

 

Research this for yourself... and if you don't need it right away as a general rule of thumb.... WAIT.

[XxwonderbredxX]

Let me help you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)#Performance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_microprocessors#Core_i7_2

http://ark.intel.com/

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processor-comparison/compare-intel-processors.html

Those should allow you to compare the processors without biased. So far, most of this has been opinion. The first link talks a lot about performance difference, IE: ~6% increase in performance over ivy bridge, with a 8-20% increase in power consumption, harder to overclock to 4.2GHz, runs hotter, with an average of 3% gain.

I would say do a direct comparison of 2 processors you're looking at, because they do have a range of performance differences. Also, take into consideration the next generation of Haswell/Broadwell is set for release in Q2 2014 (Spring), so prices on this generation will drop again then.

Imma reply to this when I get on my PC. I'm on my phone.

 

If we use solely the metric of 'better' in the context of overall: Haswell (I don't know why people use the 4th Gen context when refering to Codenames) is the victor above Ivy-Bridge.

To make it simple,

Haswell depending on what build (such as the ULV, LV or high performance, like the Haswell Extreme series processors I'm talking about) have generally lower SDP (Intel doesn't follow the TDP model as much anymore if at all) than their Ivy Bridge/Ivy Bridge E counter parts.

Counter to what @imasonz says, it is NOT an increase in power consumption in generations for the most part.

Sandy Bridge's flagship "i7-2600K" had a TDP rating of 95Watts.

Sandy Bridge's Extreme variant (i7-3970x) flagship is pegged at 150Watts TDP

In IvyBridge,

The flagship Ivy Bridge processor "i7-3770k has a TDP rating of 77Watts

The flagship Ivy Bridge extreme variant is pegged at 130Watts TDP although you may want to take into account they haven't released a overclocked version of their flagship version yet.

In Haswell, the reverse has happened sadly however to keep consistency

The flagship Haswell processor "i7-4771k) is pegged at 84 Watts TDP

As you can see, the power difference is a bit higher... to put in context the whole pcture

i7-2600k - 95W @ 3.5 GHz

i7-3770k - 77W @ 3.5 GHz

i7-4771k - 84W @ 3.5 GHz

So the question is why does it run at a higher TDP? To the untrained mind, it seems like it would seem like it is more power hungry. However, that is incorrect. Haswell and Ivy Bridge share fairly similar power draws as illustrated in this Tom's Hardware review of the 4770k.

I mean you have to take into consideration also that not everyone uses the i7 let alone the i5.

The SDP (similar to TDP but not the same) in the ULV/LV (ultra / low voltage) processors like the ones you see in your ultrabook and laptops are a decent improvement over Ivy Bridge.

So solely on the metric of it being better or worse overall, get Haswell.

Depends on the baseline you use to define what is better, if you jump from Ivy Bridge to Haswell Extreme... yes.

If you jump from Ivy Bridge i3/i5 -> Haswell i7 as an example, yes.

However, the worth value is up to you to assign and not what me or anyone else in this thread says.

For instance, @imasonaz uses a slightly different metric than what most of us would use and he did provide unfortunately some incorrect information as stated in my post above. This is why I'm not a big fan of using percentages without taking into context what we're dealing with here.

As a gamer, you would have to take into consideration NOT only the processor but also your PCH/Chipset and GFX card.

Research this for yourself... and if you don't need it right away as a general rule of thumb.... WAIT.

Imma reply to this when I'm on my PC. I'm on my phone right now.

 

Anything older than Sandy Bridge -> Ivy-Bridge E / Haswell (At this point)

Sandy Bridge / Sandy Bridge-E -> Haswell / IvyBridge E

Ivy Bridge / Ivy Bridge-E -> Haswell-E or Broadwell

Haswell -> Broadwell - E or Skylake

Imma reply to this when I get on my PC. I'm on my phone right now.

[XxwonderbredxX]

Anything older than Sandy Bridge -> Ivy-Bridge E / Haswell (At this point)

Sandy Bridge / Sandy Bridge-E -> Haswell / IvyBridge E

Ivy Bridge / Ivy Bridge-E -> Haswell-E or Broadwell

Haswell -> Broadwell - E or Skylake

Okay this basically summarizes the LONG ass post you had with the chart. lol. Thanks for teh help.

[imasonaz]

If we use solely the metric of 'better' in the context of overall: Haswell (I don't know why people use the 4th Gen context when refering to Codenames) is the victor above Ivy-Bridge.

 

To make it simple,

Haswell depending on what build (such as the ULV, LV or high performance, like the Haswell Extreme series processors I'm talking about) have generally lower SDP (Intel doesn't follow the TDP model as much anymore if at all) than their Ivy Bridge/Ivy Bridge E counter parts.

 

Counter to what @imasonz says, it is NOT an increase in power consumption in generations for the most part.

Sandy Bridge's flagship "i7-2600K" had a TDP rating of 95Watts.

Sandy Bridge's Extreme variant (i7-3970x) flagship is pegged at 150Watts TDP

 

In IvyBridge,

The flagship Ivy Bridge processor "i7-3770k has a TDP rating of 77Watts

The flagship Ivy Bridge extreme variant is pegged at 130Watts TDP although you may want to take into account they haven't released a overclocked version of their flagship version yet.

 

In Haswell, the reverse has happened sadly however to keep consistency

The flagship Haswell processor "i7-4771k) is pegged at 84 Watts TDP

 

As you can see, the power difference is a bit higher... to put in context the whole pcture

i7-2600k - 95W @ 3.5 GHz

i7-3770k - 77W @ 3.5 GHz

i7-4771k - 84W @ 3.5 GHz

 

So the question is why does it run at a higher TDP? To the untrained mind, it seems like it would seem like it is more power hungry. However, that is incorrect. Haswell and Ivy Bridge share fairly similar power draws as illustrated in this Tom's Hardware review of the 4770k.

 

I mean you have to take into consideration also that not everyone uses the i7 let alone the i5.

 

The SDP (similar to TDP but not the same) in the ULV/LV (ultra / low voltage) processors like the ones you see in your ultrabook and laptops are a decent improvement over Ivy Bridge.

 

So solely on the metric of it being better or worse overall, get Haswell.

 

 

Depends on the baseline you use to define what is better, if you jump from Ivy Bridge to Haswell Extreme... yes.

 

If you jump from Ivy Bridge i3/i5 -> Haswell i7 as an example, yes.

 

However, the worth value is up to you to assign and not what me or anyone else in this thread says.

For instance, @imasonaz uses a slightly different metric than what most of us would use and he did provide unfortunately some incorrect information as stated in my post above. This is why I'm not a big fan of using percentages without taking into context what we're dealing with here.

 

As a gamer, you would have to take into consideration NOT only the processor but also your PCH/Chipset and GFX card.

 

Research this for yourself... and if you don't need it right away as a general rule of thumb.... WAIT.

Sorry to bump this but:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-4770k_11.html <-- Good comparison of processors vs % CPU usage

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/579/Intel_Core_i5_i5-3570K_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-4670K.html <-- Another comparison based on price to performance

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inpai.com.cn%2Fdoc%2Fhard%2F198653_34.htm&act=url <-- in-depth comparison of processors, translated from chinese.

 

I found the first and second links to be very helpful in comparison. Basically, if you're going to spend the money, go haswell, if you're looking for best value, don't buy them yet.