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| Ban Category | PERP Blacklist [SWAT] |
 Subject Steam ID |  1:49745892 |
| Subject Name | Swat Unblacklist/Abuse |
| By |
adam awsome |
| Server (And Mod) |  Web |
| Datetime Added | (159mon 1wk 3d 9h 24m ago)2012-09-04 11:13 PM |
| Duration | (Inactive) (Passed)2 hours |
159mon 1wk 3d 9h 24m ago | 2012-09-04 11:13 PM Post by
adam awsome
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adam awsome Friend of HG Yes, I have no proof, but apparently there were 2 admins there who can confirm these events. | Me: Swat Admin 1: Paradyze Admin 2: Super Skeech....Didnt catch name but he blacklisted me so I'm guessing he was involved. Guy X: Maybe Tony......didnt catch http://hellsgamers.com/hgbans.php?i=11804 Im getting my swat van out.....I hear "get the gun", "ouch" fron nexus above. Now the swat rules specifically state: 5. If your life or someone else's is directly threatened, you may use lethal force. So I come upstairs....I see Admin 1 and Admin 2 punching Guy X. I know this punching has been going on for atleast 8 seconds so I know Guy X is about to die. I bring out my MP5, nail Admin 2 in the face..... Admin 1 then kills Guy X...Still firing I kill Admin 1. Medic revives them all..... An admin 1 or 2 blacklists me even though I quote rules at them. The rules clearly state I should of used lethal force. I heard a fight....I saw 2V1, the guy didn't even look like he was fighting back.....I took out the guys who appeared to be the threat. I saw 2 experienced players beating up a newbie........ I take out the experienced players....who wouldn't? Ok, lets say Im wrong......Maybe he punched them in the first place.....He might even punched both of them! Why on earth did they start beating him up? They were both admins.....if they were punched then the appropriate thing would of been to freeze him....explain the rules to him....warn him/kick him. However, the admins seemed to be bloodthirsty......and blacklisted me for doing my job and following the rules.... Immediate action would be appreciated. As always.....Be mature, be positive.....And if you respect me in your comment and I'll respect you in my reply. Debrit |
159mon 1wk 3d 9h 14m ago | 2012-09-04 11:23 PM Post by
winduufm
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winduufm Friend of HG Debrit, in a situation where you are seeing a mess of people punching each other, I believe even though what the rules say is to use lethal force, you must also take in consideration that: | 1. You must tell us to stop first, not just take action immediately. 2. We were using fists/bats, no lethal GUNS were ever used in the process, making the use of an MP5(a lethal force gun) extremely unnecessary. 3. You must be carefuly cause all you did was spray n' pray at the spawn! You could've killed innocent people, which i'm preety sure you did. Also, everyone punching/being punched agreed so there was no problem since like you said most of us were admins and if there really was an abuse or problem, we would've handled it. Next time, think before acting. |
159mon 1wk 3d 9h 9m ago | 2012-09-04 11:28 PM Post by
adam awsome
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adam awsomeFriend of HG I didn't kill a single innocent person. Only 3 dead people were you, skeech...and the guy you killed. May I point out that I earned Swat, I did not buy it. I know the swat/police rules...and I like to think myself a good shot. | Please note that the rule states If a life is in danger, you may use lethal force. It doesn't talk about what weapons you are using..... I saw a life in danger...and I acted according to what I saw and what the rules stated. In a real world situation...if i see 2 guys beating a guy to death...im not just gonna sit around and watch asking you nicely to stop. I know you had already beat him to a pulp, hes about to die....and before I could stop you he was dead. I thought very carefully before I acted..hence a two second pause between arriving and pulling out my MP5. If you can point out a rule that tells me that I have to ask you to stop killing him....please tell me it. All due respect, Debrit |
159mon 1wk 3d 9h 6m ago | 2012-09-04 11:31 PM Post by
winduufm
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winduufmFriend of HG Listen, us 3 agreed on it and so we accepted the fact that we would die, no life of innocent was ever in danger since we were all punching only each other, meaning it was all RDM and the way to handle it would be telling us to stop, and if we wouldn't, arresting us all for assault. | |
159mon 1wk 3d 9h ago | 2012-09-04 11:36 PM Post by
adam awsome
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adam awsomeFriend of HG Got to say....all i heard/saw typed was you saying "You wanna fight?....Come on then....*already punching him*" | Like you said, it would of been RDM. I don't mean to be arrogant, but that is against the rules. If so, I lose alot of respect for you since you agreed to fight a newbie 2 v 1. If by some miracle, I am totally wrong because the rules sometimes don't apply to some people, a day blacklist was certainly not an appropriate punishment. I have made ban requests before on second offence and it resulted in a warning. I can guarantee this is my first offence as Swat (second in all, but the admin was way out of order and was punished for it). |
159mon 1wk 3d 8h 57m ago | 2012-09-04 11:40 PM Post by
winduufm
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winduufmFriend of HG Newbie? That was superskreech me and suicide, also his brother TheShadow, we all know eachother preety well, no one was a newbie, understand THIS: We don't do this kind of stuff without knowing what we are doing. | |
159mon 1wk 3d 8h 55m ago | 2012-09-04 11:42 PM Post by
powner
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powner Friend of HG ok debrit im going to point out some things | 1. you killed 4 people with out warning them 2. punching is not a direct threat (rule 5. If your life or someone else's is directly threatened, you may use lethal force.) 3. you have a taser you used you mp5 4. rule 1.As SWAT, you may tell players to remove their weapons in public, just like police may. SWAT are primarily there for responding to raids and robberies, but are given an exception when it comes to enforcing gun control. in the end it was a random killing for you to shoot them and improper use of swat the 1 day bl remains |
159mon 1wk 3d 7h 56m ago | 2012-09-05 12:41 AM Post by
adam awsome
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adam awsomeFriend of HG My bad, but in all due respect...I thought an admin that was not involved in the issue had to address an unban/blacklist report. | Again, in all due respect I shall answer your points.... 1) I killed 2 people. Both of them murderers...... Not 4. I was very careful with my aim. 2) I had heard the fight, I saw 2 v 1, someone was about to die. 3) Tazer would of only got one of you, even with the MP5 I wasn't able to save the other guy 4) Darkwing once pointed out that the primary job of any Law enforcement is to protect the people of Evo City through Role-Play and to the best of your abilities. I shall make my point again that I had a ban request made on a obvious double rule break of a swat.......that resulted in a warning....a day blacklist is over punishment. It was not at all random. I saw two guys beating up another guy, who was obviously about to die, in this case punching was a direct threat as to the fact that it was killing him. I saw a guy dying.....I should just walk on by? I'm sorry but thats extreme fail-RP. I don't know how clear I can make this. One guy died, I shot 2 people cause they were trying to kill him. I see no rules that I broke. Lets break it down. Two admins had apparently, agreed to RDM with two of their mates in the spawn area. Apparently this was admin business, that could breach the rules....fine by me, keep it too yourselves. However, because I acted in role play, ignoring the fact that they were admins, my would of been normal actions, resulted in a lengthy blacklist. I was blacklisted for interrupting admin affairs with no warning that it was admin business. I have been blacklisted for following the rules. I acted in full Role-Play. Apparently I was meant to know that you were all admins...and that randomly killing each other...is normal. And that doing it in spawn....is fully allowed. How many times can I say this. I broke no rules. There was no correction given before a serious punishment. Quite frankly, it was a misunderstanding. Nobody came out worse....except me, and all I did was FOLLOW THE RULES. If you still don't realize I did nothing wrong...look at it from my view. I heard pain...I investigated, I acted to save a life, which I failed to do so. I think it is bending it to say that I should of used my tazer cause the RULE STATES: IF A LIFE IS IN DANGER, YOU MAY USE FORCE. I'm EXTREMELY sorry if im stupid enough not to know that you guys were best of buds and that admins were allowed to RDM and that i should of known this....because its basic knowledge. I AM WILLING TO CALL IT SQAURE. I WILL NOT PRESS ABUSE CHARGES IF YOU UNBLACKLIST. This was a misunderstanding on both parts, and I am willing to say that. If I am being punished for following a set of rules I pushed for to be clearer so this type of stuff didn't happen.....whats the point of them? How many times can I stress that I followed the rules. I am not bloodthirsty, I acted quickly on what information I had. Quite honestly, I am not ashamed to say that I acted hastily....understandably, but hastily. I would have more respect for you guys if you acknowledged that something was amiss here. The more you fight, the worse it looks. If you acknowledge you did something wrong, you are proving yourself a good moderator. |
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