Sean71596 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) Hello! I've kept a list open while I play jailbreak, and write down things I am curious about that don't seem to be in rules or bible, and these things are often open to interpretation, so here is my list of questions and curiosities about the finer things in JB. Will be edited with new questions. A lot of these should be obvious, I'm just looking for clarification Feel free to reply to this post with your own questions. Unanswered inquiries are RED. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is using !view to get stuck in vents allowed at all? (typing !view in chat while in deagle vents or hurdle vents etc that push you stops you in the vent until you turn !view off) If so when is it allowed? I heard some people use it on a "hide and seek day" Can fake awp from shot4shot dispenser be planted? It does not have ammo, cannot be picked up, and unlike drugs does not clip into ts and inhibit movement; I've heard it's only purpose is to bait Ts If red is pardoned, and another CT kills red, is it considered like incell red where "well, the lead can pardon but other cts can still shoot", or is it a freekill Can admins unmute/ungag themselves in death or spec to give information via mic or something of the like? Max deaths from one trivia question I have heard is five, but I have also heard some people say that activities like duckhunt should not have more than 5-7 deaths either; i.e. "First 2 to make broken pillar get lr, and everyone else dies", resulting in the death of many ts. Is this legal? According to the banned game list, hide and seek is defined as the following: "Hide and Seek Description: Cts find hiding spots and the Ts are let loose to find them and knife them Reason for ban: there is like 30 things that can go wrong with this' date=' namely the cts baiting the Ts into an area and killing them away from admins' eyes as well as general confusion amongst the CT" [/quote'] Now, I have seen many people, including other nonpaid member admins do something similar, but different. Some people call it "reverse hide and seek." In this game, CTs wait in a secluded area such as knife arena, and wait ~30 seconds for the terorists to hide, and then CTs must try and find the Ts an kill them. This is a very fun day, and I have seen many people do it, and it is enjoyed by many people. Recently, someone said that this game was banned, but in return about 10 people said it was not. My question is, is it? Can you admins let non-admins into adminroom? It seems like if a T can win it by prison dice making it non exclusive it should be allowed, but I don't know. Non serious question: Can bonbon use the scar without overloading because it's his scar? Are dungeon and obs both considered t designated areas? If you make it an OPINIONATED DAY, and clearly give tell them they DO NOT HAVE TO PARTICIPATE, and even tell them the function of the buttons, can you ask Ts to walk between the AK/M4 buttons? What offenses other than mass freekilling can you skip directly to tlock/tlist for? With a known derp, if they fuck up again, do you skip slay and go right to tlock>>tlist or do you skip the tlock and do slay>>tlist?(Although answered, my question is should the slay be skipped or should you warn with a slay for a derp and go to tlist, ignoring the tlock stage if they have a record?) EDITS; UNANSWERED ARE RED: If someone evades a tlock by reconnecting and immediately joining CT, do you ban or go right to a tlist or warn them or what? Same with evading gags/mutes Lead says "Go to 'x' when I say a fruit" Then proceeds to say things like carrot, lettuce, spinach, APPLE. Proceeds to kill everyone who moved because although apple is a fruit, he didn't say "a fruit" Is this considered an advanced tarp? By definition he did say a fruit, and did not say in the instructions "... when I say THE PHRASE "a fruit" (here's to you Russ) If someone does something premeditated and intentional, such as saying "I'm going to freekill this T in LR," and proceeding to freekill him, can you jump straight to a tlock? Can a lead CT continue to give orders if terrorists have no knife? I have recently seen leads get slain for conducting days where some Ts have no knife. On a duck hunt day, is it implied to shoot only through the middle? It seems absurd to have to clarify not to shoot through the doors or glass Non serious question, why does CSS have a player cap of 64 and csgo has only 48? Can csgo physically not have 64 or is this by choice? If a CT sees a T run into pool, can he/she go upper vip and camp there hoping the T goes that way? I see it happen all the time, and it seems a bit unfair. General consensus seems to be it's not lower vents so it's okay, but unless lead says to go there it seems like it's violating the "in view of all Ts" rule, and it's a bit unfair for the T to work all the way to get there to have a CT waiting for the past 30 seconds in the vent there. I'm guess I'm asking, is upper VIP an area like dungeon that CTs shouldn't be in unless there's a known rebel, and if it's now, can we make it such an area? If a CT spawns in a 300 day with a pistol due to !pistol menu always giving one on respawn, a CT should not be able to shoot the Ts in a 300 day with it because it's a bug, right? I see people shooting in a 300 day all the time and there's no DIRECT rule other than "don't cheat" against it, and I usually am not able to do anything about it unless I'm lead and I specifically say not to Edited June 6, 2014 by Sean71596 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Is using !view to get stuck in vents allowed at all? (typing !view in chat while in deagle vents or hurdle vents etc that push you stops you in the vent until you turn !view off) If so when is it allowed? I heard some people use it on a "hide and seek day" It is not allowed, glitching and can get you banned Can fake awp from shot4shot dispenser be planted? It does not have ammo, cannot be picked up, and unlike drugs does not clip into ts and inhibit movement; I've heard it's only purpose is to bait Ts Gunplanting is gunplanting, i don't care if it is fake or not. Can admins unmute/ungag themselves in death or spec to give information via mic or something of the like? They really shouldn't be doing this, there is all chat for a reason. Though if it is 100% necessary i don't see why not. Max deaths from one trivia question I have heard is five, but I have also heard some people say that activities like duckhunt should not have more than 5-7 deaths either; i.e. "First 2 to make broken pillar get lr, and everyone else dies", resulting in the death of many ts. Is this legal? You cannot kill more than 5ts from an order (that isn't a tarp) getting through the broken pillar is an order, so therefore you cannot kill more than 5 for that According to the banned game list, hide and seek is defined as the following: Quote "Hide and Seek Description: Cts find hiding spots and the Ts are let loose to find them and knife them Reason for ban: there is like 30 things that can go wrong with this, namely the cts baiting the Ts into an area and killing them away from admins' eyes as well as general confusion amongst the CT" Now, I have seen many people, including other nonpaid member admins do something similar, but different. Some people call it "reverse hide and seek." In this game, CTs wait in a secluded area such as knife arena, and wait ~30 seconds for the terorists to hide, and then CTs must try and find the Ts an kill them. This is a very fun day, and I have seen many people do it, and it is enjoyed by many people. Recently, someone said that this game was banned, but in return about 10 people said it was not. My question is, is it? The only people who should be doing that is people with access to: respawn, teleport, invis, and other things that only root admins can do. Otherwise they should not be doing it Can you admins let non-admins into adminroom? It seems like if a T can win it by prison dice making it non exclusive it should be allowed, but I don't know. Only if they are both CTs or both Ts, though it's hard to do it anyway. Non serious question: Can bonbon use the scar without overloading because it's his scar? That bitch. Are dungeon and obs both considered t designated areas? A T designated area is anywhere that the lead tells the Ts to be, so if they tell them to go to deagle cage, then deagle cage is a T designated area. If Ts aren't told to be there then the CTs can be there all they want. If you make it an OPINIONATED DAY, and clearly give tell them they DO NOT HAVE TO PARTICIPATE, and even tell them the function of the buttons, can you ask Ts to walk between the AK/M4 buttons? Hell no. What offenses other than mass freekilling can you skip directly to tlock/tlist for? That's really the only reason you should skip to tlist/tlock, others you should warn just in case they didn't know. With a known derp, if they fuck up again, do you skip slay and go right to tlock>>tlist or do you skip the tlock and do slay>>tlist? If he is messing up in the same way i don't see why not. Just have demos because you never know when you'll get an abuse report. so always record. If someone evades a tlock by reconnecting and immediately joining CT, do you ban or go right to a tlist or warn them or what? Same with evading gags/mutes I would ban/tlist, but only if it is obvious that they are avoiding it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyNights Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I want to know if that "a fruit" tarp is advanced or not because it would work wonders in JB I just know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDevil6193 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Can admins unmute/ungag themselves in death or spec to give information via mic or something of the like? They really shouldn't be doing this, there is all chat for a reason. Though if it is 100% necessary i don't see why not. If no one answers and someone is asking about it due to not knowing then yeah admin can do that. The only people who should be doing that is people with access to: respawn, teleport, invis, and other things that only root admins can do. Otherwise they should not be doing it Dl+only What offenses other than mass freekilling can you skip directly to tlock/tlist for? That's really the only reason you should skip to tlist/tlock, others you should warn just in case they didn't know. Aka if someone derps everyday and never learns for them yes you can skip. If someone evades a tlock by reconnecting and immediately joining CT, do you ban or go right to a tlist or warn them or what? Same with evading gags/mutes I would ban/tlist, but only if it is obvious that they are avoiding it. Some people may not know so warn them and then tlist, and mute gag is done by steam id so they cant avoid. Rest what icon said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Max deaths from one trivia question I have heard is five, but I have also heard some people say that activities like duckhunt should not have more than 5-7 deaths either; i.e. "First 2 to make broken pillar get lr, and everyone else dies", resulting in the death of many ts. Is this legal? You cannot kill more than 5ts from an order (that isn't a tarp) getting through the broken pillar is an order, so therefore you cannot kill more than 5 for that Well... Kinda... As a general rule' date=' a single order (not tarp) shouldn't kill more than 5 or 6 Ts. (IE, you give 20 Ts 1 chance to jump to fountain, 2 make it and you kill 18. You must give at least 3 tries)[/quote'] If you give them enough time to attempt 1 jump, you can kill 5. If you give them enough time to attempt 2 jumps, you can kill 10. If you give them enough time to attempt 3 jumps, you can kill 15 and so on... So, if you've given them enough time, yes you can do "first two live". Just don't be a douchenozzle, and you won't run into problems. Gunplanting is gunplanting, i don't care if it is fake or not. The fake awp, just like the fake M4 and Ak, is there for a reason. We're douchebag trolls. This isn't even a gun, it's just a prop_physics, so you technically can't gunplant it. do whatever the fuck ya want with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean71596 Posted May 28, 2014 Author Share Posted May 28, 2014 Well... Kinda... If you give them enough time to attempt 1 jump, you can kill 5. If you give them enough time to attempt 2 jumps, you can kill 10. If you give them enough time to attempt 3 jumps, you can kill 15 and so on... So, if you've given them enough time, yes you can do "first two live". Just don't be a douchenozzle, and you won't run into problems. The fake awp, just like the fake M4 and Ak, is there for a reason. We're douchebag trolls. This isn't even a gun, it's just a prop_physics, so you technically can't gunplant it. do whatever the fuck ya want with it. Thanks about the awp clarification; just think, I was about to let Icon ruin my fun. Just to clarify, in duckhunt, would, say, 30 seconds be enough pillar jumps to justify murdering ~15-20 people who cant get it in cold blood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite1 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Thanks about the awp clarification; just think, I was about to let Icon ruin my fun. Just to clarify, in duckhunt, would, say, 30 seconds be enough pillar jumps to justify murdering ~15-20 people who cant get it in cold blood? Although the rules may (technically) say differently, I feel like killing 15-20 people over a single order isn't good. You'd be better off killing them in a way that isn't just a slaughterfest. And about the fake awp, I believe I read in some official rules thingy (too lazy to find it) that admins can't tell if the awp is real or fake and because of that you shouldn't be doing it. Just thought I would throw that out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonbon Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Although the rules may (technically) say differently, I feel like killing 15-20 people over a single order isn't good. You'd be better off killing them in a way that isn't just a slaughterfest. And about the fake awp, I believe I read in some official rules thingy (too lazy to find it) that admins can't tell if the awp is real or fake and because of that you shouldn't be doing it. Just thought I would throw that out there. That's for players emptying their guns then giving them to Ts. Always be suspicious of an awp on the ground, it's just too perfect. If we want to ban people from dicking around with the fake awp, we will remove it all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite1 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Ah, thanks for the clarification. To the fake awp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean71596 Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) Bumping for justice That's for players emptying their guns then giving them to Ts. Always be suspicious of an awp on the ground, it's just too perfect. If we want to ban people from dicking around with the fake awp, we will remove it all together. Also, on the subject of the fake awp, is there any way to make it last longer before the prop fades into oblivion-ness? By the time you do something with it you have about 10 seconds before it just... disappears Edited May 31, 2014 by Sean71596 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 With a known derp, if they fuck up again, do you skip slay and go right to tlock>>tlist or do you skip the tlock and do slay>>tlist?(Although answered, my question is should the slay be skipped or should you warn with a slay for a derp and go to tlist, ignoring the tlock stage if they have a record?) It's best to slay first, but if it someone that comes on almost every day and gets tlisted with gunplanting then i don't see a problem with jumping to tlist. Evading tlock is a tlist. evading mute/gag is a ban. Make sure you have proof Lead says "Go to 'x' when I say a fruit" Then proceeds to say things like carrot, lettuce, spinach, APPLE. Proceeds to kill everyone who moved because although apple is a fruit, he didn't say "a fruit" Is this considered an advanced tarp? By definition he did say a fruit, and did not say in the instructions "... when I say THE PHRASE "a fruit" (here's to you Russ) Yes it is an advanced tarp. If someone does something premeditated and intentional, such as saying "I'm going to freekill this T in LR," and proceeding to freekill him, can you jump straight to a tlock? Yes Can a lead CT continue to give orders if terrorists have no knife? I have recently seen leads get slain for conducting days where some Ts have no knife. Yes, unless they are knife fighting there is no problem with that On a duck hunt day, is it implied to shoot only through the middle? It seems absurd to have to clarify not to shoot through the doors or glass Yes it is implied Non serious question, why does CSS have a player cap of 64 and csgo has only 48? Can csgo physically not have 64 or is this by choice? Yea, max player cap is 46 on CS:GO If a CT sees a T run into pool, can he/she go upper vip and camp there hoping the T goes that way? I see it happen all the time, and it seems a bit unfair. General consensus seems to be it's not lower vents so it's okay, but unless lead says to go there it seems like it's violating the "in view of all Ts" rule, and it's a bit unfair for the T to work all the way to get there to have a CT waiting for the past 30 seconds in the vent there. I'm guess I'm asking, is upper VIP an area like dungeon that CTs shouldn't be in unless there's a known rebel, and if it's now, can we make it such an area? No they aren't allowed to camp in there, but they can cut through the vents to get into pool If a CT spawns in a 300 day with a pistol due to !pistol menu always giving one on respawn, a CT should not be able to shoot the Ts in a 300 day with it because it's a bug, right? I see people shooting in a 300 day all the time and there's no DIRECT rule other than "don't cheat" against it, and I usually am not able to do anything about it unless I'm lead and I specifically say not to They can be slain for shooting the Ts during a 300 day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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