Burnt Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Let's discuss what we see somewhat positively. I'll start it off, Reading that infuriates me It's all talk right now.. Plus it just seems like a stupid system Members have to attend mandatory meetings? Fuck that. There's no ducking perk in being a member so why the fuck would they continue to put in the effort to stay a member and attend meetings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dode Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 We couldn't even get all of leadership in a meeting, how do you expect to get all members to show up to this shit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Rogers Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I agreed with Brunt's point here. I joined HG to played games and have fun not to be restricted. Seeing that honestly makes me want to stay a recruit this time around (I've been a member twice before and left) because of my chances of getting docked, which frankly is rather bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAtrocity Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I'm a little concerned with some people possible being part of "Community Relations" which are to be recognized as the "appeals court" of the clan. Bias will always be there, but when people who are naturally just going to be put there based on current positions within the clan have grudges or well known for unfairness or excessive/unreasonable decisions, that frightens me. I don't want to see more corruption. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxHound Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Either this means a revamp is evident or: http://prntscr.com/9l1vdg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaZe Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 HG Council Official Constitution (still under construction) it is still under construction so there is really no need to lash out at Homer for something you might not like. He hasn't finalized it yet, so just post your ideas and leave them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue :D Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Its a discussion, it will have good and bad points to it On the talk of the topic though.. I'll put faith in when I see changes happen and when they work. Pen is mightier than sword but actions speak louder than words 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Rogers Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Well it's not restricting your ability to play games at all. It's only saying that you're required to be at meetings. That's time consuming I it's every day but meetings are going to be held every once in a while. But to make them mandatory and implementing a strike system is kind of a shitty thing to do. With over 400+ members getting all those times to sync up and have multiple meetings that everyone can make is gonna be a fucking nightmare to plan and a big hassle for those 400+ people to schedule with IRL events. And like brunt said; I get no perk for being a member so why should I even try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RageQuit Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Having seen the document's draft prior to its public debut, I'll say that my initial thought was that it seems to enforce a level of rigidity and structure that is probably excessive for a gaming community. Community participation is good in shaping direction, but too many cooks spoil the broth. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
->SK<- Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Having seen the document's draft prior to its public debut, I'll say that my initial thought was that it seems to enforce a level of rigidity and structure that is probably excessive for a gaming community. Community participation is good in shaping direction, but too many cooks spoil the broth. Yeah, I feel the same. This is a clan; should be about fun, it's not a corporation or an executive company. Just reform the current system in place; fancy new idea's that are complicated and elaborate are the biggest way to bring in bigger and harsher bottlenecks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaOfPain Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Unless you are in leadership I don't think we should make anything mandatory for members. They are here simply for fun and we staff are here to ensure that we make this a fun place for everyone. I do like the idea of restructure though, our current system does not work at all. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Rogers Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 My opinion on this is that there shouldn't be a penalty for not going to meetings. I think that all members have the option to join a "Member Voting Commitee" that if you join you are allowed to vote on decisions but must meet the requirements set the way it says now. This makes it to where if you actually want to be apart of decision making and change the direction your division is going, you can do so. If you're a member but don't want to be involved and just play on the servers, you aren't forced to do so. People who actually want to be involved can do so by taking the next step to becoming a voting member; but it's a choice, not mandatory Unless you are in leadership I don't think we should make anything mandatory for members. They are here simply for fun and we staff are here to ensure that we make this a fun place for everyone. I do like the idea of restructure though, our current system does not work at all. So much this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3V0Lu710N Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Unless you are in leadership I don't think we should make anything mandatory for members. They are here simply for fun and we staff are here to ensure that we make this a fun place for everyone. I do like the idea of restructure though, our current system does not work at all. I spoke with homer in teamspeak and from what i understood the mandatory thing wont be for everyone, but at the same time im not 100% sure on this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaOfPain Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Well what happens a lot is that the staff members and division leader make decisions that are not in the interests of the community and sometimes that doesn't settle well for them. Please use any Gmod thread in existence for reference What I think can benefit other divisions is using the system that CS:GO used, which was the fireside chat. Having community meetings has worked great so far because we are able to see what your current opinions are and how you feel about most of our upcoming plans. Communication is key obliviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamy Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 When we had a community meeting in Gmod for the first time (and only time) very few people actually went. One reason was the time and the other was that there was no week notice It wasn't meant to be an open meeting. It was sorta improvised but it turned out really good. About the so called constitution, on one side, it seems like renaming everything that already exists. On the other hand, it seems a bit too rigid for a gaming community, seems like a government office or something. As FaZe said, though, it's a work in progress. I wanna where this goes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mezzanine Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 i didnt read it it was too long but fuck the system 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ongames Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 So under section II.A, it states membership requires "dues". "Dues" are not defined or explained in any way, and says "The council has no membership dues." Whatever Homer or Council wants to make "dues", all members are REQUIRED to meet the "dues", otherwise "Any member who has not met the requirements stated in [iI.A] will have their membership withdrawn immediately." I actually read through most of this and I don't like it from a membership point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul :) Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) What would be preventing me from leaving without a 2 weeks notice? I also have a feeling there can be conflict of interest and abuse of the system. Edited January 2, 2016 by Paul :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Chef Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 There's no ducking perk in being a member so why the fuck would they continue to put in the effort to stay a member and attend meetings. someone typed this on their phone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAtrocity Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) Rigid? Probably. But with the way people are operating up there, we kinda do need a more rigid system in place so people can get stuff done as "promised" instead of flying afk and making big talk about all the work they've magically done. Is this too rigid? I can't tell. All I know is as long as we actually get the ball rolling with the community in mind instead of our powers and test out these changes, it's all good. Just test run it, and don't wait a million years to enact on feedback. Or ignore it like many do. There's been mounting discord between the community members and leadership. Let's fix it. Maybe instead of mandatory meeting for members, we could have an obligatory meeting. Sec records, and those who could not attend MUST read the report and sign off. Seems reasonable. Edited January 2, 2016 by TheAtrocity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaOfPain Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 [quote name=Paul ' timestamp='1451697125' post='674073] What would be preventing me from leaving without a 2 weeks notice? I didn't read this part but if its anything like stepping down from staff it should go something like this: If you give the 2 weeks notice and wait the 2 weeks, you leave on good terms and receive retired leadership status plus some benefits of that. I imagine the member part would just be leaving on good terms but there should be nothing stopping you to leave if you want to leave earlier than planned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) [quote name=Paul ' timestamp='1451697125' post='674073] What would be preventing me from leaving without a 2 weeks notice? I also have a feeling there can be conflict of interest and abuse of the system. This isn't something new. There is literally nothing preventing you from doing this, but it will basically make you look bad, it makes it so you have almost no chance of joining leadership again. You will most likely not keep admin, and basically be treated like shitty person you are. Edited January 2, 2016 by Icon315 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAtrocity Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I didn't read this part but if its anything like stepping down from staff it should go something like this: If you give the 2 weeks notice and wait the 2 weeks, you leave on good terms and receive retired leadership status plus some benefits of that. I imagine the member part would just be leaving on good terms but there should be nothing stopping you to leave if you want to leave earlier than planned. You also need a year in the position apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul :) Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 This isn't something new. There is literally nothing preventing you from doing this, but it will basically make you look bad, it makes it so you have almost no chance of joining leadership again. You will most likely not keep admin, and basically be treated like shitty person you are. I didn't read this part but if its anything like stepping down from staff it should go something like this: If you give the 2 weeks notice and wait the 2 weeks, you leave on good terms and receive retired leadership status plus some benefits of that. I imagine the member part would just be leaving on good terms but there should be nothing stopping you to leave if you want to leave earlier than planned. The section was for members. Gah, idk, the thing was too damn long for me to focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icon Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 [quote name=Paul ' timestamp='1451699122' post='674082] The section was for members. Gah, idk, the thing was too damn long for me to focus. Okay, I feel like people aren't reading this correctly. Do you guys think "Members" means [HG]? because it doesn't, it means members of Hellsgamers Council 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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