RED=DEAD

[bigjohnMS]

CAN we please change that rule especially since sooo many cts bait now also if you rebel at end of the round you spawn red and throwing smokes turns ya red. Can it please go back to way was before so freekilling and baiting will stop and admins can go back to playing the game.

[Lt. Awesome]

doesn't the MOTD say "kill at your own risk"?

 

If a CT is in your immediate area - knifing them will be at your own risk.

 

yes it does

[JJK]

now dont start that again

[Chicken Wings]

Baiting=gunplanting and going into t designated area. As for the spawning red I have seen this and have accidentally freekilled someone for this. Needs a fix

[Zaine]

That's sort of stupid, needs to be fixed. Oh, and if you throw a smoke AWAY from where people are, I really don't think that that is doing anything wrong.

[F4ithl3ss]

I don't think red should = dead TBH, too tired to explain why but there are alot of reasons

[BluHorse]

lead should do a quick search at the beginning of round, wouldn't take that long with a nice sized ct team, to see if anybody spawned red. if nobody spawned red then red=dead but if somebody did spawn red!=dead.

[excalibuR]

I don't think red should = dead TBH, too tired to explain why but there are alot of reasons

 

I agree

[moo]

I say keep it, if its the start of a round and youre a ct that sees the cell doors closed and someone in it red, or noone shooting the red ct, I think it's your fault for not paying attention. To be a good ct you need to pay attention to whats happening right?

[bigjohnMS]

I don't think red should = dead TBH, too tired to explain why but there are alot of reasons

 

I AGREE TOO MANY VARIABLES but also CAN NOT rely on cts lmao that's funy

[bigjohnMS]

I say keep it, if its the start of a round and youre a ct that sees the cell doors closed and someone in it red, or noone shooting the red ct, I think it's your fault for not paying attention. To be a good ct you need to pay attention to whats happening right?

 

Especially MOO when they start the round quoting red=dead lmao

[F4ithl3ss]

I say keep it, if its the start of a round and youre a ct that sees the cell doors closed and someone in it red, or noone shooting the red ct, I think it's your fault for not paying attention. To be a good ct you need to pay attention to whats happening right?

 

you know what server we're talking about right...?

 

If someone is told to knife a CT on their area, and goes red, and then a bunch of other T's start rebelling... let's say 3, the guy that did the right thing is going to be killed. Or if they keep track of the red guy in the beginning of the round, and then there are a few rebellers, the CTs will lose track of them. Then the admins are put in the situation where someone maybe shouldn't have died for something, but then the guy who kills him says RED = DEAD... We can't do anything about it, because he's right at the same time that he is wrong for killing the guy.

 

Personally, I had no problem with the way the system worked before with red players. Although now it is alot less confusing who is shooting CT's, it's a bitter sweet because now CT's are just douche bags about RED = DEAD

 

tl;dr - eat my ass

[bigjohnMS]

I agree Faith completely

[Papa John]

you know what server we're talking about right...?

 

If someone is told to knife a CT on their area, and goes red, and then a bunch of other T's start rebelling... let's say 3, the guy that did the right thing is going to be killed. Or if they keep track of the red guy in the beginning of the round, and then there are a few rebellers, the CTs will lose track of them. Then the admins are put in the situation where someone maybe shouldn't have died for something, but then the guy who kills him says RED = DEAD... We can't do anything about it, because he's right at the same time that he is wrong for killing the guy.

 

Personally, I had no problem with the way the system worked before with red players. Although now it is alot less confusing who is shooting CT's, it's a bitter sweet because now CT's are just douche bags about RED = DEAD

 

tl;dr - eat my ass

 

Here is the simple fact, either way you have it, it will get abused. If you have "Red = Dead" then CT's bait T's to kill them. However in the same respect T's will claim that a CT baited them without "Red = Dead", so basically its a Catch-22.Though in my personal opinion the later is more easier to manage.

[__noobs_below_this_line__]

all i know is that if a t with no gun at all went red...then i would be willing to bet 99 out of 100 times its bc a ct was a dumb ass, if they have a gun and are shooting at someone or have already killed someone they should be dead anyway...all i know is that if a ct gets to close its there own fault, they shouldn't be allowed to bait to get a trigger happy kill.

 

one ct jumps into a mob of t's and gets knifed then you have like 2 if not more red t's. yeah they may get teamswitched but that wont happen till the next round, so the other trigger happy ct's get them some free kills bc of a loop hole rule? mmhmm

[LazaHorse]

You're in prison. A prison guard has a knack for getting under your skin and one day walks over to your cell and jumps around in front of it making ape sounds. At that very instant the doors open and you and your cell mate snap and both stab him in the chest once with one of your seven shivs. Did he deserve it? Debatable but anyone in your position would say yes. Will you still get the death penalty for it? Given you live in a state where it is legal, yes.

[kommanderj]

Ok, lets say your trying to plan an escape out of prison. When you knife one of the guards...you dont turn red. When you shoot the next guard, you dont turn red, you stay the same color you were before so you can blame it on other people. i think the whole red=dead should go away, or it would be even better if we took the whole red away. it would bring a different strategy for CT's to find us rebellers

[Cr(+)sshair]

Hmm.

 

I was wondering, what if the T was red for only 5 seconds then changed back to normal?

[Awwik]

This would be better Cross because it adds a FUCKING PAY ATTENTION CTS part to the game!

[LazaHorse]

The point of JB is that Ts follow the orders till they want to rebel. As soon as they do, they're to be killed on site. The red mod allows Cts to know who to kill. The argument isn't about whether Red Ts should die in and of itself. The argument is that if Ts get baited then turn red, they should or shouldn't die. If they are either foolhardy enough to take the bait and die or they're good enough to rebel and kill after taking the bait, why is this even a question. Yea CTs can bait then shoot Ts who knife them, but more often than not, they get knifed by more than one T and die. If they bait and shoot the T, they get slayed for baiting anyway. I don't see where the argument is made here.

[__noobs_below_this_line__]

i think that a little self awareness isint a bad thing, if someone is not following the rules they should get shot, if you cant figure out who to shoot you should be a t anyways...i personally think also that new comers to the server should be made to play 40 rounds as a t b4 even being allowed to go ct anyways but hey that's a different thread in itself

[bigjohnMS]

I Agree that's all im sayin if a ct baits n admin doesnt catch it what happens cts baits and red=dead horse shit

[LazaHorse]

Yes Bigjohn but how often is it that a CT baits and at least 5 Ts, 3 CTs, and 2 Admins don't see it. Come now, let's be real. It's not THAT big of a problem to get rid of a mod that makes being a Lead CT amidst 30 some odd Ts almost bearable.

 

On that note I need confirmation from whosoever it may apply to answer. CAN the lead CT declare that red =/= dead without having a game to make such a claim? In other words, if a CT baits and is knifed/killed can the lead just say that red =/= dead to save that rebeller? I am sick of arguing in the server about whether or not that is at Lead's discretion, so can we get a ruling now? I haven't seen it said anywhere in MOTD/forums so I still don't know. However I have been told that leaders of the server (Crosshair, JJK, and such) have all said that lead can make it so red =/= dead at free will. So which is it?

[dizyvipr]

i personally think also that new comers to the server should be made to play 40 rounds as a t b4 even being allowed to go ct anyways but hey that's a different thread in itself

 

Actually that wouldn't be fair to people who have a history in playing JB on other servers so it doesn't necessarily mean that they don't know the general rules of being CT or T. There is no actual way to decide who knows how to play JB in general and who doesn't until you actually see them playing in the server.

[bigjohnMS]

I agree diz all im say if ct baits shouldnt mean red=dead motd does say knife at risk but not red=dead if we are haveing party day or crotch to des and tee knife and ct baits shouldnt equal red= dead but i play alot and this is just my opion so someone please let us know thanks