Never trust a hippie Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) 1. Name: [HG] Baby_Buddha 2. Steam Id: STEAM_0:1:24367814 3. Server: Forums 4. Reason: Excessive shit talking about the community 5. Proof: quaddrupple post 5 posts ina row Bans without warnings Shit talking to HG Shit talking bout higher-ups Shit talk bout Homer, council and me Braindead lackeys in council? bumping year old threads More shit talk bout council shit talk bout council and me on my profile 6. Comments: I don't understand either. Why is he here? Why do we let him get away with talking about us like this? He's been warned to stop several times already. Edited September 30, 2010 by Artillery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby_Buddha Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 - The reason I talk shit is cause you (Homer, staff and counsil) keeps accepting racists and freekillers and letting them come back into the servers despite claiming there's a zero tolerance (zero tolerance for me means absolute zero tolerance, no second chances). - Homer, the counsil and staff members has unbanned several racists and freekillers that I have gotten banned which pisses me off since these people should not be back on the servers and it seems like a waste of my time getting them banned if your still gonna let them in. Where is the logic in admins and players posting ban requests when your just gonna ignore the requests and still lett them into the servers? - And ouf course you only show the things that I did wrong and not the hundreds of racists, freekillers, micspammers and douchebags I have gotten banned and posted reports on. - Ever since I started here I have NEVER back down an inch on freekillers and racists and I never will. I do not regret anything I did cause it was right. And the higher ups acceptence and lack of will to fight racism has always been completly opposite of how my view on this. I have always done what I thought was right to get rid of racists and freekillers that I don't think should be allowed on the servers. And the higher ups acceptence of this gave me my full right to critizise them which I have done since DAY 1. And as I mentioned earlier I do not regret anything, so If you still want to ban me then so be it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaJoy Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 1. We have a T-list. The freekillers can no longer join CT when they are on this list. It takes less than 5 minutes to put them on this list. We do not want to loose people in our servers because they freekill ..they can have a chance on T to learn the game play. A majority of the time, people who are new to jailbreak ..do not know the rules ..it doesn't mean they should be banned for a week because of a simple mistake. This is why the T-list was created. 2. HeLLsGamers has always been against people who are racist. There is no need for them. A while back, HeLLsGamers staff and council decided to do something different with these fellows. Yes, the rules are in the MOTD ..but who sits there before joining and reads every MOTD for every server. We warn them (in admin chat) ..if they do not stop ..we mute them (if they are saying it in voice) ..we kick them if they keep doing it after several warnings ..if they come back and they don't get the idea of no racism on our servers, we get proof ..we ban. As I said in #1 ..we do not want to loose people for a simple mistake ..some people don't know the rules ..we tell them ..sometimes they comply ..sometimes they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doobie Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Enough with the disrespect. We have banned racist people from our servers for a long time. If you don't like it here you can leave. Future nonsense like what hippie showed as proof will result in temp ban from the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artillery Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) - The reason I talk shit is cause you (Homer, staff and counsil) keeps accepting racists and freekillers and letting them come back into the servers despite claiming there's a zero tolerance (zero tolerance for me means absolute zero tolerance, no second chances). - Homer, the counsil and staff members has unbanned several racists and freekillers that I have gotten banned which pisses me off since these people should not be back on the servers and it seems like a waste of my time getting them banned if your still gonna let them in. Where is the logic in admins and players posting ban requests when your just gonna ignore the requests and still lett them into the servers? - And ouf course you only show the things that I did wrong and not the hundreds of racists, freekillers, micspammers and douchebags I have gotten banned and posted reports on. - Ever since I started here I have NEVER back down an inch on freekillers and racists and I never will. I do not regret anything I did cause it was right. And the higher ups acceptence and lack of will to fight racism has always been completly opposite of how my view on this. I have always done what I thought was right to get rid of racists and freekillers that I don't think should be allowed on the servers. And the higher ups acceptence of this gave me my full right to critizise them which I have done since DAY 1. And as I mentioned earlier I do not regret anything, so If you still want to ban me then so be it... Shut up. Do you even know what any of us actually do around here in HG? 'Cause it certainly don't sound like it. We're not his lackeys, we are our own people and we're in these positions because we have earned them. As for us accepting racists - we don't, but we're not always around to stop it. We have lives that permit us to do other things besides HG and if you can't handle that, then maybe you should get out. We have rules for a reason, you should follow them the way they are written, not by your own interpretation - regardless how they change from time to time. Everyone but cheaters get a warning, this includes spammers, racists and freekillers. Do your job and warn them, even I have to warn them, in fact Dirty will crap on me if I don't warn them (because its in the rules). If someone is spamming, warn them through vocalization, chat and admin chat - if they continue, mute them, if they give you lip through chat - silence them. In the end, if they leave and come back, then you ban them and post a report. Freekillers are slightly different, if someone freekills once or twice, warn them. If they continue and its intentional like a mass freekill, then post a report and we'll handle it. If they haven't learned their lesson after 3 months of being on the t-list then down comes the ban hammer. Racism is also handled in a slightly different manner. I used to ban racists permanently regardless of the medium they used - now I may only ban for 1 week for a first time offense, if the behavior is continued beyond this, then I have grounds to ban permanently so long as the evidence is there. Homer purged the system some time ago for a different reason. If you have a problem with this, maybe you should talk to him directly because only he will give you a straight answer and if you don't like what he has to say to you, well thats just too bad isn't it. Edited September 29, 2010 by Artillery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby_Buddha Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 HeLLsGamers has always been against people who are racist. And thats why Homer keeps unbanning people who have repeatatly been racist, gotten a ban, come back and been racist again and gotten a perm-ban? Hellsgamers has never been against racism otherwise they would get rid of people like that. there is no reason to even say the n-word so there is no excuse for doing that, if they dont have enough self controll not to then the deserve to be permed. Most people know they shouldnt be racist, you dont have to be a rocket scientist to know that, its common sence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artillery Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) I also haven't seen Homer unban anyone unless it was serious enough to involve him. So I'm not sure who or what you're talking about that condones this kind of smack-talk. People may request to be unbanned. If we feel that they're sincere enough and that they're being legit - we make a judgement call. That doesn't stop them from doing it again but in the same light that doesn't stop them from recieving another ban either. Edited September 29, 2010 by Artillery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeman Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 And thats why Homer keeps unbanning people who have repeatatly been racist, gotten a ban, come back and been racist again and gotten a perm-ban? Hellsgamers has never been against racism otherwise they would get rid of people like that. there is no reason to even say the n-word so there is no excuse for doing that, if they dont have enough self controll not to then the deserve to be permed. Most people know they shouldnt be racist, you dont have to be a rocket scientist to know that, its common sence... show us who he has unbanned that has been banned multiple times for racism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJK Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) +1 to demote http://www.hellsgamers.com/sb/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=raci&Submit= 847 BANS results with ban reason as 'racism' Edited September 29, 2010 by JJK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby_Buddha Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) show us who he has unbanned that has been banned multiple times for racism? Here is link to the banlist. Under ban reason it just says banned_user.cfg import, but he was banned for racism several times and unbanned by Homer. Only one of the links works, but I remember that he had be banned before and therefore he was permed which it also says in the thread. Edited September 29, 2010 by Baby_Buddha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaJoy Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) Here is link to the banlist. Under ban reason it just says banned_user.cfg import, but he was banned for racism several times and unbanned by Homer. Only one of the links works, but I remember that he had be banned before and therefore he was permed which it also says in the thread. [/b] Anyone who is "Purged" ..we are giving them another chance ..after a year ..people might change .. ..if they break the rules again ..they get banned again. Simple. -Doobie since he is in GA. Edited September 29, 2010 by JessicaJoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby_Buddha Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Anyone who is "Purged" ..we are giving them another chance ..after a year ..people might change .. ..if they break the rules again ..they get banned again. Simple. -Doobie since he is in GA. Exactly, acceptence of racism. There is no reason racists should get another chance, since there is no excuse for saying it in the first place. You just DON'T, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artillery Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Do you even know what that means? Banned_user.cfg import means that it was imported from the old system or different list that was setup at the time. The system doesn't care what the reason is as long as it knows who is banned and who isn't. And if you were actually listening to what I was saying earlier, I said Homer purged the system of all the old bans some time ago for his own reasons. It didn't manner if they were aimbotting, walling, spamming, freekilling, using racism, and/or any other offenses, they were all removed from the system. There is more to it than "Giving them another chance" Jessica, as for Buddha, if you want to know the complete and thorough reason, ask Homer. Now stop posting this ridiculous dribble on our forums. If you have real problems that you feel need real attention, handle it like an adult and send a well thought out PM to Homer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaJoy Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Exactly, acceptence of racism. There is no reason racists should get another chance, since there is no excuse for saying it in the first place. You just DON'T, simple as that. Some people don't know the rules ..some people, once they learn the rules, they don't say it again .. Anyone who is "Purged" ..we are giving them another chance ..after a year ..people might change .. ..if they break the rules again ..they get banned again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby_Buddha Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Some people don't know the rules ..some people, once they learn the rules, they don't say it again .. Tough luck, that should be their problem not ours. EVERYONE knows that racism is not allowed anywere, every server has a rule against it, if they don't get it they are just plain stupid and deserve what they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaJoy Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Tough luck, that should be their problem not ours. EVERYONE knows that racism is not allowed anywere, every server has a rule against it, if they don't get it they are just plain stupid and deserve what they get. You have been to every server? There are communities out there that allow it. Some people don't mind it. "Words are words .." as some of them say. ..but really? You have been to every server in CS:S? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJK Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 (edited) You are complaining about people making racist comments. YOU are breaking these rules: 1. Be respectful to all players. 2. Don't take anything personal. 3. Set an example to other players. - Flaming, derailing attempts, stupid posts, and idiotic threads will be deleted and dealt with on a case by case(person by person) basis. - It is up to the discretion of Council and Staff what qualifies as breaking the* rules. - If one is found posting useless garbage on our website, it may be grounds for suspension or permanent removal from HeLLsGamers. - Opinionated threads are strongly discouraged, religion, politics, sexual preference, etc. are all conversation starters for trolls. - Know your place, some members have been around here longer than others, and they are given a certain leniency, know your limits. ALSO, and most importantly, you are directly disobeying homers thread, titled RULES FOR RACISM Edited September 29, 2010 by JJK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeman Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 (edited) Tough luck, that should be their problem not ours. EVERYONE knows that racism is not allowed anywere, every server has a rule against it, if they don't get it they are just plain stupid and deserve what they get. 1. warn 2. temp ban 3. perm ban for repeat offense your type of thinking on a more larger scale has lead to genocides and murder, quit your radical fucking thinking, we have our ways of running things and i think IT'S WORKING PRETTY WELL. It's quite simple in these EASY TO READ STEPS. 1. people get banned, A LOT 2. a year or 2 goes by and the banlist gets purged, we dont announce it but anyone who was banned previously can come back on 3. if they get banned AGAIN they are permanently banned once more, with no chance of being included in a purge 4. ????? 5. Don't question Homer, Hes been running this community just fine and we are growing constantly. pretty simple right? If you went through life not giving anyone a second chance, There'd be a lot of outstanding political issues right now. Edited September 30, 2010 by Weeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never trust a hippie Posted September 30, 2010 Author Share Posted September 30, 2010 (edited) That's great that we are trying to explain this to him the 100th time and all. But he hasn't gotten it the past 99 times... It's like he said: Nope, there's no way I'm gonna stop arguing as long as Homer and his braindead lackeys (including you) keeps accepting racism and letting such scums back into the server so deal with it. It's called freedom of speech, you probably heard about it in school. He's just not getting it. Your goal as a member should be to become an HG veteran. I don't see how that could ever happen with the way you conduct yourself buddha. Edited September 30, 2010 by Never trust a hippie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiri-Jolith Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Buddha, really, wtf is your problem? You seriously need to realize that the Staff and Council have lives outside of HG. We can't be everywhere at once. We have jobs, we have families, we have personal lives that have absolutely NOTHING to do with HG and for the most part are considered more important than an online community (which i think others would agree with me is how it should be). We can't always be on to catch a hacker, or stop a freekiller, or deal with a racist. Now with you being from Norway I understand that your on at different times than most of us and because of that your able to see people who we usually miss because we aren't online. I see that you post a lot of ban reports and its good that your reporting your bans, but you MUST follow the rules on banning. Like Doobie has said I don't know how many times now, there are guidelines how how to ban people for certain offenses. You shouldn't automatically put in the largest punishment for something if it's their first time and they don't really know the rules. Give them a short ban to realize they did something wrong and let them look up the rules, and if they keep doing it THEN start to punish for longer periods. Also for freekillers, we had several people make our wonderful T-List system which DOESN'T ALLOW PEOPLE ON IT TO GET ON CT!!!! Instead of perm-banning freekillers, try putting them on the T-List for a while so they can learn they did something they weren't supposed to. You have been taking the rules that have been set down by the Council and Staff into your own interpretation for too long and it MUST STOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artillery Posted September 30, 2010 Share Posted September 30, 2010 Well. I think this thread has seen enough argueing and point-makingness. Closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJK Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Demoted. not banned admin remains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJK Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Continued with name calling and an extreme amount of disrespect. banned to prevent admin abuse forum banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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