WhataWackaMonk Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Hey, Abuser: Super Skreech ID: Server: Perp, GMOD Time: 13 hours ago from posting this. Proof: https://hellsgamers.com/hgbans.php?i=11805 Original blacklist: https://hellsgamers.com/hgbans.php?i=11804 Comments: I was blacklisted the other day, even though the Perp rules clearly stated that I did nothing wrong. Swat Rule 5: If someone's life, or you life, is in danger, you may use lethal force. Written statements by the admins in questioning are on the unblacklist report confirming this event. Logs or admin demo's can be checked if necessary to prove the number of dead in the incident. I hear the sound of fighting upstairs. I go up to find Paradyze and Super Skreech beating up a guy whose name I didn't catch. I know this fight has been going on long enough that the guy being beaten up is about to die. I get out my MP5 (lethal force) and shoot the first guy (Super) attacking the assaulted. Paradhyze then kills the guy (The life in danger) and in quick succession I shoot Paradhyze. 3 bodies. Revived. Blacklisted. Unblacklist report.......only looked at by the admin in question. There was no rule I broke. Paradhye said that it was just playful RDM. If so......it's still RDM, its still Fail-RP....and I was punished for RP'ing when I shouldn't have. Apparently I should of used my tazer...... IF A LIFE IS IN DANGER, YOU MAY USE LETHAL FORCE. I think the fact that someone was killed (not by me) tells you that a life was in danger. Be polite, Be mature, Be positive.....Respect me in your comment, and I'll respect you in my reply. Edited September 5, 2012 by Rizon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizon Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 As per the un-blacklist request you were told to wait it out. You rdm'ed as a SWAT plain and simple. Just because we decided to make you wait it out doesn't consider it to be abuse. Please do not jump to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma# Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 (edited) Reviewing these allegations further... My bad, but in all due respect...I thought an admin that was not involved in the issue had to address an unban/blacklist report. You are being presumptive. While for the most part, we have someone is who not involved look at the request. It is not necessary, since there is an expectation of professionalism and objectivity in these cases. 1) I killed 2 people. Both of them murderers...... Not 4. I was very careful with my aim. 2) I had heard the fight, I saw 2 v 1, someone was about to die. 3) Tazer would of only got one of you, even with the MP5 I wasn't able to save the other guy 4) Darkwing once pointed out that the primary job of any Law enforcement is to protect the people of Evo City through Role-Play and to the best of your abilities. Logs will determine the truth in how many you killed. It appears you thought he was in danger. While reading the statements by paradhyze and super, it appears more of an agreed upon death rather than a random death match attempt. Darkwing is no longer a member of leadership. I shall make my point again that I had a ban request made on a obvious double rule break of a swat.......that resulted in a warning....a day blacklist is over punishment. It was not at all random. I saw two guys beating up another guy, who was obviously about to die, in this case punching was a direct threat as to the fact that it was killing him. I saw a guy dying.....I should just walk on by? I'm sorry but thats extreme fail-RP. No, I think the best method in this case would have then ask them to stop what they were doing. In regards to the comment that you thought he was a few hits from death, I think it is assumptive for you that he was on the verge of death. If he has health regen for example, 3 hits or even four won't kill him. I understand your vigilance to protect however, I don't think the shoot 'em up tactic works well at all. Agreed, if you see someone being hurt, you can go investigate and find out why they are doing something like that (like a cop). However, shooting them up isn't. It's like in real life, a real cop isn't going to shoot down on first sight a group of hooligans who are fighting. He's gonna yell: break it up! break it up! and try to diffuse the situation in a peaceful manner. By shooting them, you did not therefore you've also failed to role play (according to your description of what should be done). I don't know how clear I can make this. One guy died, I shot 2 people cause they were trying to kill him. I see no rules that I broke. Lets break it down. Two admins had apparently, agreed to RDM with two of their mates in the spawn area. Apparently this was admin business, that could breach the rules....fine by me, keep it too yourselves. However, because I acted in role play, ignoring the fact that they were admins, my would of been normal actions, resulted in a lengthy blacklist. Read the previous comments. It isn't really random death matching to them. The blacklisting can be discussed but I also researched your history, you did have a few problems with following rules. I was blacklisted for interrupting admin affairs with no warning that it was admin business. I have been blacklisted for following the rules. I acted in full Role-Play. Apparently I was meant to know that you were all admins...and that randomly killing each other...is normal. And that doing it in spawn....is fully allowed. I don't believe randomly killing one another (let alone in spawn) is normal or against the rules. I think you should have been verbally warned or something. Quite frankly, it was a misunderstanding. Nobody came out worse....except me, and all I did was FOLLOW THE RULES. You didn't just follow the rules. You went above the rule by not attempting to verbally break them up first like a real life cop would. I don't know whether lethal force is recommended for punching. I'd say tasering would have been the best choice. And another thing, you could not have possibly known that person would have died so quickly unless you were around long enough. I suspect that this was lacking in communication. If you still don't realize I did nothing wrong...look at it from my view. I heard pain...I investigated, I acted to save a life, which I failed to do so. I think it is bending it to say that I should of used my tazer cause the RULE STATES: IF A LIFE IS IN DANGER, YOU MAY USE FORCE. I'm EXTREMELY sorry if im stupid enough not to know that you guys were best of buds and that admins were allowed to RDM and that i should of known this....because its basic knowledge. Force = not lethal force Force is when you utilise a procedure to prevent further issues from happening. A verbal shout at them would have been the first in the procedure Then tazering them if they did not stop (since they are currently just punching them). Finally, if they fail to stop then you can start taking different modes of action from arresting. Admins should not be RDMing at all. That being said, I'll review your blacklist as well. This situation reeks of idiocy from both parties. I AM WILLING TO CALL IT SQAURE. I WILL NOT PRESS ABUSE CHARGES IF YOU UNBLACKLIST. This was a misunderstanding on both parts, and I am willing to say that. If I am being punished for following a set of rules I pushed for to be clearer so this type of stuff didn't happen.....whats the point of them? How many times can I stress that I followed the rules. I am not bloodthirsty, I acted quickly on what information I had. Quite honestly, I am not ashamed to say that I acted hastily....understandably, but hastily. I would have more respect for you guys if you acknowledged that something was amiss here. The more you fight, the worse it looks. If you acknowledge you did something wrong, you are proving yourself a good moderator. You need to step back and relax. it is a video game. you acted upon what you knew. that's okay. Something like this could be looked at. My opinion is that you acted on the right rules, but you failed to talk to the parties involved and went straight to shooting. For you to say you will press 'abuse charges' if they unblacklist you is horrendously misguided and wrong. It is the equivalent of threatening someone because they did something you felt was unfair when all you needed to do was take a few steps back and relax. It is just a video game! It will be up to Upper Management what should be done about this abuse report. Edited September 5, 2012 by enigma# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhataWackaMonk Posted September 5, 2012 Author Share Posted September 5, 2012 Understood. The press abuse charges is my attempt at a slight joke, no seriousness meant in the over exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Council Kigen Posted September 6, 2012 Executive Council Share Posted September 6, 2012 Ok, after reviewing the logs I see that SuperSkreech was the one being killed with fists. You killed one person, then SuperSkreech died, then you continued to kill two others. That could have been handled much better. You should have tried non-lethal options before going lethal. I do, however, feel a lot of this could have been avoided had it been discussed privately in the server. It isn't abuse though. ~Not abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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