Wtf Is Happening To Hg?

[enigma#]

We have had players that have been part of the community, for years, doing significant things for the regular players, protecting, and fighting for them, and using the community as a friendship and a privilege to be part of demoted and stripped/tossed from HG as if they have done nothing for HG. These leaders/friends that were on constantly, on a daily basis, an ACTUAL significant part of HG were seen as nothing but expendable by upper management/council decisions just because of either an accident or 1 time fuck up because in the eyes of how HG is run now, they did not supply a server or they do not code for HG to consider them a special case.

Welcome to our sad reality, there are a lot of admins out there who portray the ideal admin, fair, communicative, attentive to others. However there are other admins who don't. This is really about BigJohn isn't it? You do not know what he had done before.

It's not an 'accident' it's not 'a 1 time fuck up' that got him demoted. Stop getting riled because of what happened to BigJohn, BigJohn's intentions of helping were certainly in the right place however, there was too much that spoke in his actions that made them act. Get over this seriously. YOU didn't get bigjohn demoted, YOU didn't admin abuse, YOU didn't fuck up. Stop making this about YOU. I'm sorry I have to word it that way, people seem to think that just because someone gets demoted, a friend, that it is automatically unjust and prejudiced.

A good friend of mine in the community has been demoted in the community this Divisional Leader was BigJohn. He was that type of leader that was active almost everyday/night. Able to talk to, comes to your aid, makes the games fun, and is an all around goofball but with a great attitude that I do not believe 1 HG member can talk badly about. Played a lot more than just the division he was meant to lead, and he was there for everyone. He's been that ACTUAL significant player that took care of all of us, and now, he's been tossed from DL as if he did nothing for HG even though he's been here for almost over 4 years. He's been here longer than some of the upper management that 'run' decisions here, and yet those UMs are barely even online anymore...

He's not the only player that was here as a leader and been treated poorly but he's just the most recent example.But if HG can treat a good leader like that, what does mean for all the regular members of HG, or the ones that spend the time on HG to make the effort of expanding the community. And sure you can see he was demoted for a 'abuse' but in reality, he had a reason, it was an accident, and in the abuse it was written 'continued admin abuse.' Me for one would love to see the 'continued' portion of that demotion. The regular players are what makes HG, we're here everyday, playing on the servers, and players that want to join HG only want to join because they see all of us on, playing, and think this is something I'd like to be part of. But why be part of something that you're seen as an expendable nothing. I for one am still part of HG because I know that we can make a difference if we actually tried, but in reality I know this will probably fall on deaf ears but hey who knows, maybe this might actually become a discussion for UM and Council, and if it does I've done enough to know someone has read it.

I stand by what I said before. We're not perfect by any means but as a uM they've decided to demote him based on prior actions and this action. You do not know what actually happened. Bigjohn can tell a story, xyz can tell a story but that's not what it's about.

 

BigJohn deserves his DL, there are some DAs that deserve more than just DA, and honestly there should be a clear out of some of the UM just for the simple fact that they're not doing much for the respect of the community. The community is run by the regular player, and the members that have been here for a long time, because a lot of the DA/DL do not donate to keep the servers running, and I do not remember the last time a UM donated. There should be a new rank that does not make decisions even if they have contributed to coding on servers, they have made a roll for something for HG, but they should not be relied on to make decisions of cutting players all of sudden that have been here for years. And they know who they are.

The funny part about this is, the UMs decide who is a dL, dLs decide who dAs are supposed to be. Although it is correct that many dA/dL/uMs don't donate via financial means, doesn't mean they don't get it.

 

If this is just about BigJohn and not really about the problems, I'm saddened by the fact you would manipulate people's emotions just to further your own cause. Funny thing, this isn't even about the fact that Bigjohn was demoted anymore. If this was really about fixing the community, pointing at what happened to BigJohn and its possible solutions won't fix it.

 

Stop this senseless rant, if you were here for four years, you'd know that the cycles would kick in as it normally does.

 

I've written what I think (not as a Council member, not as a Veteran) but as someone who works in the community nearly daily. I admit fault very often because sometimes I don't do what I can but you outright going on your high horse and attacking everyone for what? for what?

Bigjohn?

You know just because he was demoted and you think it's unfair, doesn't mean he can't come back. I trust that uMs understand the ramifications of doing this (apparently this thread is one of them).

 

So please I am not even asking you as a Council member or Veteran, but as a sane rational human being to look at better solutions than to making BigJohn a strawman to whatever disagreements you have about this community. Sure you care about BigJohn, but it's clear you're bothered by something else.

[Tanky<3]

 

So please I am not even asking you as a Council member or Veteran, but as a sane rational human being to look at better solutions than to making BigJohn a strawman to whatever disagreements you have about this community. Sure you care about BigJohn, but it's clear you're bothered by something else.

 

This really isn't all just about BigJohn, as I've posted he's just the easiest/latest example I can put together. This was a thread that I had been thinking/trying to find the right time/way to put it out there not as an attack but as an eye opener just for the HG community. It was a long time coming from me ever since I came back active again and it's just my view on the way things are. A lot of people agree with me, and maybe some don't. But all that I see from leadership replies is as if this some sort of attack on them, And it's funny but the one's that have replied like you and Rizon are the one's that I definitely was not talking about, The only reason I haven't thrown names out there is because I'm trying to get the community to maybe get involved and say their piece as well on the matter. But NO leadership is innocent of never breaking any of HGs rules/abusing. Someone has done something, sometime more than once but it just might not have been brought to the light. I've posted a couple more times on this thread with logical and honestly in my opinion good/unbiased ways to get our members involved/having an actual opinion in the matter of HG and the way the community is a whole, because lets face it, we have a lot of dead servers, we have a lot of active servers, and there are a lot of things that just happen in HG out of no where, and it's almost as if it just comes out of no where because no one really gets told of what's going on.

[enigma#]

This really isn't all just about BigJohn, as I've posted he's just the easiest/latest example I can put together. This was a thread that I had been thinking/trying to find the right time/way to put it out there not as an attack but as an eye opener just for the HG community.

 

Wait, so if it's not about bigjohn and you've decided to make an example of him even though there are a lot of other abuses that happen daily.

 

It was a long time coming from me ever since I came back active again and it's just my view on the way things are. A lot of people agree with me, and maybe some don't. But all that I see from leadership replies is as if this some sort of attack on them, And it's funny but the one's that have replied like you and Rizon are the one's that I definitely was not talking about,

 

Actually, this is what it's about. I replied directly based off what you said. Read my replies again. I'm not here to take it as an attack or even a criticism. I see the reality to a degree you see but not the same way you do. I see travesty on a daily basis. My job is not to defend leadership in this thread. I don't feel threatened, hurt or even remotely bothered. However I believe there is a lot of inconsistency in what you say wanted done and how you put so much emphasis on bigjohn without regarding so many others who have been demoted.

 

Example: you talk about how there aren't enough higher-ranking players. lol that's an admin and yet you criticise power hungry admins. Who then would be just and capable of serving as this higher ranking player you speak of.

 

Stop this bullshit and start thinking rational.

 

The only reason I haven't thrown names out there is because I'm trying to get the community to maybe get involved and say their piece as well on the matter. But NO leadership is innocent of never breaking any of HGs rules/abusing. Someone has done something, sometime more than once but it just might not have been brought to the light. I've posted a couple more times on this thread with logical and honestly in my opinion good/unbiased ways to get our members involved/having an actual opinion in the matter of HG and the way the community is a whole, because lets face it, we have a lot of dead servers, we have a lot of active servers, and there are a lot of things that just happen in HG out of no where, and it's almost as if it just comes out of no where because no one really gets told of what's going on.

Of course, thanks for using your opinion to manipulate others into thinking something that is only partially correct.

[Rizon]

These supposed 'continued' abuses along with other leaders/members that have since been demoted/left HG have been also a contributing factor to the speculations of almost personal attacks on them by certain individuals.

 

Personal attacks? You've got to be kidding me. When someone gets more than enough chance to do right and still violates rules or abuses and yet people like yourself rant in ignorance without knowing how everything from start to finish went down.

 

 

And as far as the decision making goes, its the fact that no one gets to see, hear, or get any input what so ever as the ACTUAL MEMBERS of the community, that keep it strong, and keep it going get any light of the situations.

 

We have weekly meetings to ensure things go smoothly with the community and I even hold Div meeting to make sure our members voices are heard.

 

 

There are a lot of people that are making decisions for things that they do not really have much knowledge on, but they get light of half or a partial story that leads them to making these all mighty and tough decisions. So before replying as if there was some sort of hate towards everyone, read it properly and understand where I along with others come from before saying this is ignorant because that would mean all these wonderful folks that commented and liked the post would ALL have to be ignorant to be feeling the same way as I do.

 

 

We investigate each situation us leadership comes across, plain n simple. I think your taking it out of context and saying we get power hungry and just jump straight to a ban.

 

Again, you only see it from either a thread standpoint or even if your in-game sometimes it's in a third-party point-of-view. Leadership is in the position we are for a reason. We are capable of making legitatmate decisions but some users might jump on the defensive without knowing what really went down.

 

Don't put words in my mouth, I said ignorance in general nor did i ever say it was you or anyone else.

 

"No to be hasty, but saying that Leadership is power hungry people... to be blunt that's ignorant to think that." Because in my experience with this community people assume admins/leadership are power hungry because of thier own personal opinion in regards to their "friend" getting banned or themselves.

 

OH

 

Of course, thanks for using your opinion to manipulate others into thinking something that is only partially correct.

 

^^ This.

[Weeman]

What other examples would you like to share with us? Awwik? Slazenger? Crosshair? I figured those were pretty self explanatory. We've given multiple chances to a LOT of people. And we've always talked to those that were in leadership, demotions and bans have always been the LAST thing to be done if nothing else has worked.

[Tanky<3]

 

Actually, this is what it's about. I replied directly based off what you said. Read my replies again. I'm not here to take it as an attack or even a criticism. I see the reality to a degree you see but not the same way you do. I see travesty on a daily basis. My job is not to defend leadership in this thread. I don't feel threatened, hurt or even remotely bothered. However I believe there is a lot of inconsistency in what you say wanted done and how you put so much emphasis on bigjohn without regarding so many others who have been demoted.

 

Example: you talk about how there aren't enough higher-ranking players. lol that's an admin and yet you criticise power hungry admins. Who then would be just and capable of serving as this higher ranking player you speak of.

 

Stop this bullshit and start thinking rational.

 

 

Of course, thanks for using your opinion to manipulate others into thinking something that is only partially correct.

 

Not once have I mentioned anything REMOTELY considering 'enough' higher ranked players, I said some of them that are should not be in a position to make decisions, and there should be a separate rank for them because they have contributed to HG though as I've said I personally feel they shouldn't of ever been relied on to make decisions. As far as the others that I haven't mentioned, there was a member for example that had left HG for a while, informing of his leaving because of whatever his personal issue was, and was told his leadership would be fine until he came back. Said player came back, and was then demoted, and he left HG not feeling like the member of the community that he was before.

[Nipple]

i agree with some of what you said tanky, but i whole heartedly disagree with you about bigjohn. i like him a lot as a person, he's hella fun to play with and is cool, but its a sad fact that he really has had many admin "accidents" over the years and its been continuing. there are a lot more people than you think around here that agree with this result. i have seen it many times in person and have heard many other stories and seen other abuse reports. after you give someone over a dozen chances and you talk to them and there are still "accidents" it cant be tolerated, especially by a member of leadership that should be seen as a role model of this community. if NOTHING would have been done, sure you'd be happy, but how many more people would bitch and complain about how leaders are never held responsible and nothing is ever done and this place is corrupt? surely a hell of a lot more than who disagrees with what happened. i'm sorry your good friend could not mature enough to handle his admin in game servers. like i said, bigjohn is an awesome dude, but he just kept going..i'm quite disappointed myself..

thanks.

[enigma#]

I've spoken what I can to hopefully get a better answer from this situation perhaps even solve your wants for change in more rational means.

 

However you disagree and see me as defending leadership, my work is done here. That isn't my intention in fact, I was here only to serve a middle ground to this unnecessary mess.

 

Had you just brought your concerns to a uM and spoken openly. I'm sure this could have been avoided entirely

 

I'm out of this thread and this situation. If you want help, go talk to uM. They are the gamechangers of this community.

[BooT]

I can't even handle this thread!

Too much seriousness over a little tiff.

As much as I love BigJohn, he has had SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many chances.

 

As for HG changing, how can such a big clan stay the same for years? It's impossible.

Not only do clans change over time but so do some of the greatest empires.

You cannot expect everything to stay the jolly good same.

learntohistory.

[Tanky<3]

 

Since I'm not the greatest at using the forums, and this is my first multiquote reply- This is one of things that I was talking about working as a community in a whole

(This was written before hand, it's a previous reply to my own thread further up the page so of course now I know that Council/UM are reading this)

If UM/Council get around to reading it, maybe we can start considering new ways to include everyone that actually plays, and when decisions come up, we can have an actual CLAN MEETING like we used to, where people can have some sort of input in the way leadership is, who's a good fit for leader, and what needs to be done with what servers, so that we can have a revamp of the dead servers that HG has that literally sit there, get paid for, and in the end NO ONE USES yet we need all this DONATION MONEY that we just start bribing random/any players that join any HG server with a big sign 'Want admin on our servers?! go hellgamers.com and buy admin today!'

Edited February 11, 2013 by Tanky<3

[Weeman]

Since I'm not the greatest at using the forums, and this is my first multiquote reply- This is one of things that I was talking about working as a community in a whole

(This was written before hand, it's a previous reply to my own thread further up the page so of course now I know that Council/UM are reading this)

If UM/Council get around to reading it, maybe we can start considering new ways to include everyone that actually plays, and when decisions come up, we can have an actual CLAN MEETING like we used to, where people can have some sort of input in the way leadership is, who's a good fit for leader, and what needs to be done with what servers, so that we can have a revamp of the dead servers that HG has that literally sit there, get paid for, and in the end NO ONE USES yet we need all this DONATION MONEY that we just start bribing random/any players that join any HG server with a big sign 'Want admin on our servers?! go hellgamers.com and buy admin today!'

Except this community is fucking huge and filled with a rather large amount of teenagers. I have less fingers on my hands than the amount of members i've heard hit puberty within their time in this community. And bribery? Really? I don't think you know what that means. People don't pay us money so we can look the other way while they abuse, people CAN REPORT THEM and they lose it. There's no fulproof screening method but we need the donations to improve servers (not game servers but the ones that HOST the servers). Yea we actually just upgraded a box for YOU to play on.

 

You want people to have an input in the community? There's an ask leadership section for a reason, there are report sections for a reason. That's how the community gives input.

 

You've listen several things about the community in general to simply cover up the fact that you're upset that a friend got demoted because you thought he was such a huge asset to the community, and now you've brought more attention on him than he probably wants. So yea good job.

[PerryThePlatypus]

I think this shitty gay thread has been blown out of porportion enough.

This thread is now about cats.

who's a good fit for leader, a

pickles

Edited February 11, 2013 by Perry

[Kigen]

Bigjohn can be a very fun person to play with. However, what made us have to demote him was continued admin abuse and disruptions.

 

There are two main issues we had with Bigjohn and we tried to work with him on.

 

One was he would get drunk and then get angry. Simply put, Bigjohn is an angry drunk. The most recent episode had a DA ban him out of the game because he was mass RDMing. http://hellsgamers.c...gjohnms-dl-hell

 

The second was admin abuse and breaking server rules in PERP. In this demo you can see Bigjohn break rules before TWO random kicks. He first RDMs a cop when the cop is just talking to him about some 911 to Subs 4. Then, using Drive, if you look at the Nexus Intersection you can see him plant a car bomb on the SWAT, randomly again, when Lucky is telling Father Blessing to get out of Sky Scraper.

 

Bigjohn had just gotten PERP admin back after having lost it for abusing spectating, extinguish local, etc.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LOJEqRRb3I

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJahUbsoWeM

 

http://hellsgamers.c...1491-hg-bigjohn

[Kigen]

I am trying to do my best to stop admin abusing. Particularly on the PERP server.

 

But the problem about trying to handle leadership problems privately is that when we do have to demote a leadership member rumors will spread about what actually happened. Same in this case with the supposed personal attacks.

 

I was forced to strip Bigjohn's admin last month. Less than two weeks ago he got it back but before he did I had a long conversation with him where I told him this shit was putting him on the line for a demotion and that if he continued this behavior this would be the result.

 

I would have much rather preferred that he shape up and not abuse admin or get drunk or lie about what actually happened. But when a Division Leader is basically breaking our server rules and admin abusing we have to do something. So last month we confronted him on it. And gave him a temporary punishment of stripped PERP admin. When he got PERP admin back he immediately goes back to his old way despite our best efforts to prevent that.

 

So most of uM and C that was on last night got together and we discussed it. Its not like there weren't people defending to keep Bigjohn. But after seeing the evidence, hearing his side of the story, and talking to certain people. It was ultimately decided that he needed to be demoted.

 

What we're hoping for the future is to put this behind us. Hopefully, Bigjohn can leave all of this in the past and move on. He can be a very fun person to play with. But ultimately, the decision is his if he'll stay or if he'll leave.

[mccaincracker]

What i don't understand is how you can go inactive for a year or two, and then come back expecting the internet and HG to pause while you were away.

 

You should read Zekks thread if you haven't already

https://hellsgamers.com/topic/80817-how-hg-is-like-a-second-family/#entry464106

[LazaHorse]

What i don't understand is how you can go inactive for a year or two, and then come back expecting the internet and HG to pause while you were away.

 

You should read Zekks thread if you haven't already

http://hellsgamers.c...ly/#entry464106

My biggest gripe. You say you've been here or 4 years and seen HG change. No you haven't. You were here 4 years ago. HG was a different community back then servicing a far different populus. You then came back from a long hiatus as a recruit to what is now a different organization as a whole. And yet you expect things to be the same or even similar to what you experienced? If we went back in time and brought Thomas Jefferson to 2013, undoubtedly he would be floored at how different things are. That doesn't mean he would demand a return to the old. He wasn't here for the change, good or bad. Frankly, neither were you.

[Guest Vao]

I'm tired of reading this whole bullshit with "blahahahaha deserves da/dl/wank, blahahahaha doesn't" and shit, i normally just sit back and let this shit ride cause it's pointless to contribute to the conversation because it normally ends up in people acting like children and a idiot locking the thread for a small situation/problem thus blocking any other criticism. Also I'm not reading any of the other previous replys except OP's because you guys fucking type too much. HG is a clan of people who play games, AMIRITE? well recently over the past 8 months i feel that it's just kinda died down a bit, like theres just something fucking different about hg that nobody can put their fucking finger on. Anyway, people get bored and become inactive... it fucking happens. I got bored of being a da/dl and mostly every single staff member have points in time where they get a bit fucking bored of working on the same division for 1 year+ or w.e and just want's a break. This is where the staff system starts to get fucking shitty, people sit in staff member and do little to no work and contribute nothing to the clan, this is my opinion fyi.. ill probably get shit for this heh. But yeah staff members get fucking bored and they do shit and never come on yet they feel like deserve to keep their rank.. and this can be for months they literally do shit all for months. Breaks are fine, but we ALL know of a staff member thats been inactive for a stupid amount of time. Now this isn't just aimed at bigjohn, he was a cool guy but he was no near as active as he was in 2011. Um+ don't like demoting people, they've admitted it themselves but it comes to a point where someone needs to be removed. I dont fucking understand why people continue to be dL when they do shit, like fuck it's a fucking green dl next to your name woopdy fucking doo it's not like you enjoy doing shit anymore. There have been some da's that have left when they feel like they have nothing to contribute and that shit i fucking respect SO FUCKING MUCH. If you dont feel you contribute and you're not enjoying shit just step down, who cares anyway fuck... HG is nothing, its a fucking website and has no real life benefit at all.

 

tl;dr: everythings retarded

excuse my grammar/spelling

[Kinta]

I'm tired of reading this whole bullshit with "blahahahaha deserves da/dl/wank, blahahahaha doesn't" and shit, i normally just sit back and let this shit ride cause it's pointless to contribute to the conversation because it normally ends up in people acting like children and a idiot locking the thread for a small situation/problem thus blocking any other criticism. Also I'm not reading any of the other previous replys except OP's because you guys fucking type too much. HG is a clan of people who play games, AMIRITE? well recently over the past 8 months i feel that it's just kinda died down a bit, like theres just something fucking different about hg that nobody can put their fucking finger on. Anyway, people get bored and become inactive... it fucking happens. I got bored of being a da/dl and mostly every single staff member have points in time where they get a bit fucking bored of working on the same division for 1 year+ or w.e and just want's a break. This is where the staff system starts to get fucking shitty, people sit in staff member and do little to no work and contribute nothing to the clan, this is my opinion fyi.. ill probably get shit for this heh. But yeah staff members get fucking bored and they do shit and never come on yet they feel like deserve to keep their rank.. and this can be for months they literally do shit all for months. Breaks are fine, but we ALL know of a staff member thats been inactive for a stupid amount of time. Now this isn't just aimed at bigjohn, he was a cool guy but he was no near as active as he was in 2011. Um+ don't like demoting people, they've admitted it themselves but it comes to a point where someone needs to be removed. I dont fucking understand why people continue to be dL when they do shit, like fuck it's a fucking green dl next to your name woopdy fucking doo it's not like you enjoy doing shit anymore. There have been some da's that have left when they feel like they have nothing to contribute and that shit i fucking respect SO FUCKING MUCH. If you dont feel you contribute and you're not enjoying shit just step down, who cares anyway fuck... HG is nothing, its a fucking website and has no real life benefit at all.

 

tl;dr: everythings retarded

excuse my grammar/spelling

 

This is where I'm at in this conversation. I'm a little offended when one of those ghosts shows up and starts bossing me around.

[AnonyHorse]

This is where I'm at in this conversation. I'm a little offended when one of those ghosts shows up and starts bossing me around.

 

Though we haven't talked much, I miss your posts on the forums.

[Sirius]

My biggest gripe. You say you've been here or 4 years and seen HG change. No you haven't. You were here 4 years ago. HG was a different community back then servicing a far different populus. You then came back from a long hiatus as a recruit to what is now a different organization as a whole. And yet you expect things to be the same or even similar to what you experienced? If we went back in time and brought Thomas Jefferson to 2013, undoubtedly he would be floored at how different things are. That doesn't mean he would demand a return to the old. He wasn't here for the change, good or bad. Frankly, neither were you.

 

Well said.

[Slowpoke]

I'm tired of reading this whole bullshit with "blahahahaha deserves da/dl/wank, blahahahaha doesn't" and shit, i normally just sit back and let this shit ride cause it's pointless to contribute to the conversation because it normally ends up in people acting like children and a idiot locking the thread for a small situation/problem thus blocking any other criticism. Also I'm not reading any of the other previous replys except OP's because you guys fucking type too much. HG is a clan of people who play games, AMIRITE? well recently over the past 8 months i feel that it's just kinda died down a bit, like theres just something fucking different about hg that nobody can put their fucking finger on. Anyway, people get bored and become inactive... it fucking happens. I got bored of being a da/dl and mostly every single staff member have points in time where they get a bit fucking bored of working on the same division for 1 year+ or w.e and just want's a break. This is where the staff system starts to get fucking shitty, people sit in staff member and do little to no work and contribute nothing to the clan, this is my opinion fyi.. ill probably get shit for this heh. But yeah staff members get fucking bored and they do shit and never come on yet they feel like deserve to keep their rank.. and this can be for months they literally do shit all for months. Breaks are fine, but we ALL know of a staff member thats been inactive for a stupid amount of time. Now this isn't just aimed at bigjohn, he was a cool guy but he was no near as active as he was in 2011. Um+ don't like demoting people, they've admitted it themselves but it comes to a point where someone needs to be removed. I dont fucking understand why people continue to be dL when they do shit, like fuck it's a fucking green dl next to your name woopdy fucking doo it's not like you enjoy doing shit anymore. There have been some da's that have left when they feel like they have nothing to contribute and that shit i fucking respect SO FUCKING MUCH. If you dont feel you contribute and you're not enjoying shit just step down, who cares anyway fuck... HG is nothing, its a fucking website and has no real life benefit at all.

 

tl;dr: everythings retarded

excuse my grammar/spelling

 

#RNS

[(Headband)(EG)]

I think sometimes ppl take ish 2 seriously here. Its a gaming community, yea you may bond with some of these peeps and grow closer (No homo, idk how close u can grow through the internet but i digress)and yea you may get fired up and believe this is RL and the happenings of this community are ride or die, but in the end the community is gonna shift and change in whatever the people who run it believe to be the proper direction.

BigJohn gets demoted, big deal, how many other members of Leadership have we gone through. Dont get me wrong I like BigJohn, hes cool and what not and Yes I believe he didn't diserve to be demoted (maybe had his mod removed from Perp [Like some other members of leadership who had admin powers removed from certain servers because of abuse]) but in the end no one really cares what I think, i aint leadership.

 

Threads like this just attract attention for no reason. Is their alot of BS in HG, sure, Their is BS in EVERY GAMING COMMUNITY, but the vets who are here didn't get that far with out sucking it up. No one is forcing you to stay here, IF you want to go then GO, If you have questions about why something happend or is happening ask someone in leadership, hell PM Enigma, he for one if hes not busy will sit down and have a rational discussion with you. Go poke mccain, or adam, or Rizon, or Reddevil even though he cant spell sometimes. When you make a thread that says WTF happened to HG, it makes you look like you havent been paying attention. The community is alwasys changing, LOOK at CSGO Div. Server was dead and sprung to life with new recruits and new places where people have stepped up.

 

Everytime I see one of these threads I laugh, because in the end no matter how many pages are here, you are either gonna stay and deal with it or leave and go somewhere else. Which ever you choose just know that we will still be here and still playing Jailbreak.

[Slophole]

All i see is fighting!!!!!!

 

BigJohn is an amazing guy, and I don't say this because of what his position was/is it was because of past experiences that i had with him in TS.

 

That being said.

 

Leadership will rise and fall just like in the real world. the community will take a blow. there will be hate, cliques will be formed because of this, and like events in the future...

 

This will happen again, just as it will in the real world...you know the world out side the internet .

 

Keep in mind guys we are all here for the same reason: pwn, gain rating, 10 man, JB, bhop, perp, SAMP, smack talking, with people that you know will be there...your clan mates. You're gamers guys don't forget that. dont let politics of the community get in the way of that, and of the friends you made along the way.

 

 

I hope this all turns out for the best.

[GreenRanger]

I've been here for about 28 minutes and I know more than everyone.

 

I'm cool. I used to be a Staff member.

[Weeman]

I've been here for about 28 minutes and I know more than everyone.

 

I'm cool. I used to be a Staff member.

You're also ugly as hell.

 

I think this thread is done. To the pits of the internet with ye'