Lots Of Freekills On This Order.

[devnull]

Lead said "All T's get to the 2nd to last pole of deagle cage."

 

so in logic this would be the correct choice.

 

However we all died. And if was to guess I would think about 80% of us died as a result.

 

 

I don't have proof otherwise this would be in the tlist request section.

[n0y0u]

k well with out a fancy diagram i might be stupid.. as uc alled me in game for no reason yelling on mic thats it wrong when i kindly asked u to go to forums, anyways second to the last pole

the last pole would be first becuase hes the mighty last 1 first standing the one next to it would be the second mighty standing pole second to the last which is the first.

[devnull]

Sorry for yelling that was my bad, really rough day and I know thats no excuse.

 

If I am in 2nd to last place that would mean I am in 3rd place!

[n0y0u]

sigh its a repeating cycle rly if u say it that way i guesS? iono man iono

[devnull]

LOL yeah i know its confusing. Our teacher in grade 5 math used to try to trick us using exactly those statements. If your in a race and you are the 4th to the 1st guy to cross the finish line what position did you end up in? Answer would be the 5th position.

[n0y0u]

nit picking i figure to the max

[(Headband)(EG)]

Let me counter your logic with this logic.

 

My diagram is a picture of the sauna.

 

Now when you Tell the Ts to get to the closest corner or the sauna that is relative to Which Corner is Closest 2 them. To Tarp them You would again say run to the Closest corner and shoot every one who ran since they were in the closest corner (we are using the closest corner labeled in the diagram as the closest).

 

Now when you say Get in the 2nd Closest corner You mean the corner directly infront of them because that is the 2nd closest one. According to your logic You would have the Ts delay and run to the corner all the way by the door.

 

No one ever refers to things as the First to last. Its Either the last or second to last. If we had a race and their were 6 people...

 

1:sixth to last

2:fifth to last

3:fourth to last

4:third to last

5:second to last

6:Last place

 

You basically arent counting the last pole. The First to last pole is the last pole.

 

tl ;dr

 

nitpicking is bad

[devnull]

2nd last pole

and

2nd to last pole

 

are 2 different poles!

 

 

And yes your diagram is correct. again read what I just stated. When you stated "TO LAST" your stating a reference point.

Edited March 19, 2013 by devnull

[Poohunter]

Let me counter your logic with this logic.

 

My diagram is a picture of the sauna.

 

Now when you Tell the Ts to get to the closest corner or the sauna that is relative to Which Corner is Closest 2 them. To Tarp them You would again say run to the Closest corner and shoot every one who ran since they were in the closest corner (we are using the closest corner labeled in the diagram as the closest).

 

Now when you say Get in the 2nd Closest corner You mean the corner directly infront of them because that is the 2nd closest one. According to your logic You would have the Ts delay and run to the corner all the way by the door.

 

No one ever refers to things as the First to last. Its Either the last or second to last. If we had a race and their were 6 people...

 

1:sixth to last

2:fifth to last

3:fourth to last

4:third to last

5:second to last

6:Last place

 

You basically arent counting the last pole. The First to last pole is the last pole.

 

tl ;dr

 

nitpicking is bad

 

From what I understood, I believe there is a difference between saying second last and second TO last.

[(Headband)(EG)]

2nd last pole

and

2nd to last pole

 

are 2 different poles!

 

 

And yes your diagram is correct. again read what I just stated. When you stated "TO LAST" your stating a reference point.

 

The 2nd last pole doesnt give you any reference of direction. Since He told you guys to get to the First pole (the pole by the blue doors) when the order first started naturally that would mean that the poles by the race beacon (The pole closest to the wall is the LAST) and the pole cloest to the bigcage [by the race beacons] is the 2nd to last.

[devnull]

No one ever refers to things as the First to last. Its Either the last or second to last. If we had a race and their were 6 people...

 

1:sixth to last

2:fifth to last

3:fourth to last

4:third to last

5:second to last

6:Last place

 

Yeah people don't reference to it as to last cause it be stupid

 

Last

1st to last

2nd to last

3rd to last

 

last is your reference point (aka point zero)

[devnull]

[Factions]

I wanted to also make a diagram I felt leftout

[enigma#]

All of you guys are just arguing relatively.

 

For instance

 

This is a legitimate interpretation of what the warden said : second to last.

Since the frame of reference is towards shot for shot or in most cases from starting away from Ts.

 

Put it this way, in a Cartesian plane, there is always (0,0) or a center point. This is the reference point.

 

If we use local references as in closest corner of sauna, it will always be the one that Ts are initially facing, why? Because the local frame of reference is at 0,0 where the Ts are.

 

If you want to do the math and do Pythagorean theorem. You'll find out that each corner is further away from then the ones the Ts are facing closet.

 

This is assuming we're all at bottom of cell stairs. This is more so mathematics and semantics at the end of the day.

 

By the way, this is jailbreak, not logic.

[devnull]

Ok to make it easyer I marked the general concensus of what the pole #'s are

 

If I said and ill be specific... "Get to the 1st pole closest to the 4th pole of deagle cage from the bottom of cell stairs." would you go to yellow pole or the blue pole....I would be at the blue pole just sayin!

 

Now if I didnt say from the bottom stairs it would be a reference to were you were thus 5th pole if thats the closest one to you..however if you were at bottom of cell stairs and went 5th pole that be wrong as for you it be 3rd pole.

Edited March 19, 2013 by devnull

[Bonbon]

I think the best advice I can give you is not to believe 100% everything that a teacher/adult says. They are NOT always right. And there seems to be a distinct difference between "first to something" and "first something closest to something else". You chose the former, so I'm going to describe the former.

 

Consider this scenario. We have 3 objects, blue, green, and red as shown below. I have drawn a graph, with origin 0, as a reference to the location we are looking at. I have cleverly called this origin "last", because it is just an arbitrary origin and I can call it whatever the fuck I want.

 

So let's look here at the first picture.

 

 

Here we can all agree that red is the closest to the origin I have chosen. It is the first object closest to the origin. That is, it is the "first to last". Which makes green "second to last".

 

Next one...

 

 

Same situation. Red is closer, but it is still "first to last" and green is "second to last"

 

Do I need to go further? Ok.

 

 

Damn, red, you gettin' close. But you're still "first to last" and green is "second to last"

 

And I bet you can all guess where this is going.

 

 

Here, red is directly coincident with the origin. That is, red is on last. But, it's clear that red is still the first thing closest to last... Red is indeed still "first to last" and green is "second to last". We don't magically get rid of the point that is at last just because it's there. That's not how science works, bitch.

 

 

 

Anyways, if you don't like graphs, here's another scenario.

 

There are 3 people in a race, A, B, and C. They always finish the race in first, second, and last place respectively.

 

Who can we say was the "first to finish". It's obvious that it was A, right? And that would make B the "second to finish". So by that logic, if we just see finish as "first", then A was the "first to first", B was the "second to first" and C was "last to first". If we invert this, C was the "first to last", B was the "second to last" and A was "third to last"

 

 

 

SO I guess we can sum up this thread.

• I don't care what you chose to believe or not believe, but for the purpose of HG Jailbreak, the last deagle pole will be the "first to last" and the next one will be the "second to last"
  
• But really, you should be using "next to last", in order to avoid this shit from happening at all, because it is the scum of jailbreak. Make some clear fucking orders and we won't have to deal with this shit.
  
• If you do this order again, and kill the wrong pepole or do not specifically clarify which pole you are intending, expect a tlist
  

And if I may offer a little piece of advice, if you really wanted to tarp people, a much better tarp would have been "crouch to the penultimate pole of deagle cage", because the definition of penultimate is set in stone, and we don't need a whole fucking thread for it. (just kidding, don't use this tarp. The point of jailbreak is NOT to tarp people with advanced wording/english/logic, but rather saying something really simple, but tricking Ts into doing the opposite, either by doing simon says, or giving the same order 99 times in a row, then changing it once randomly.)

 

 

But, this thread has gotten too serious for jailbreak, so here's a picture of Prius masterbaiting.

 

[LazaHorse]

MFW limit taken to zero... Engineers disgust me.

 

And IDK why my post before was deleted, but zzzz to whichever corrupt django did it.

 

YOU ARE ALL THE GAYEST OF PEOPLES!

[Consuela]

Bonbon I want to have your babies.

 

In other news, people still can't figure out "next closest corner of sauna" isn't the one they are closest to.

[ASCII]

OMG THIS THREAD IS JAILBREAK NERDINESS TO THE MAX!!! I EFFIN LOVE IT!!

[devnull]

Here, red is directly coincident with the origin. That is, red is on last. But, it's clear that red is still the first thing closest to last... Red is indeed still "first to last" and green is "second to last". We don't magically get rid of the point that is at last just because it's there. That's not how science works, bitch.

 

Completely agree here unless red is your reference object. I.e last pole is your 0 and your using people as your colors or in the scenario that happened your using other poles as your colors.

[(Headband)(EG)]

Completely agree here unless red is your reference object. I.e last pole is your 0 and your using people as your colors or in the scenario that happened your using other poles as your colors.

No one closed this thread of nitpick yet?

[devnull]

As for the example of closest corner of sauna. The reference point is the person so the closest corner will always be the closest corner.

 

I got 3 jelly beans blue red and green in a row. Red is the closest to green. Green cannot be the closest to green.

[enigma#]

As for the example of closest corner of sauna. The reference point is the person so the closest corner will always be the closest corner.

 

I got 3 jelly beans blue red and green in a row. Red is the closest to green. Green cannot be the closest to green.

 

Pls don't nitpick further...

 

∃Jellybean(Red) -> a

∃Jellybean(Blue) -> b

∃Jellybean(green) -> c

 

Based on your preposition: Red is the closest to green

A) left(a) = b

b ) right(a) = c

 

Since ¬(left(a)) = ¬b and ¬(right(a) = ¬c, we can extend

¬(left(a)) = ¬b -> x

¬(right(a) = ¬c -> y

we can conclude that ¬x = left(a) , OR, ¬x = b

 

Given that fact since we know C = the blue jelly bean

we can conclude that since

i) right(a) = c

ii) ¬(right(a) = ¬c

iii) ¬(right(a) = ¬c = y

then logically, we can conclude that

¬y = c

since ¬c also equals to right(a), which is the jelly bean 'closest' to your red jelly bean, we can state that

¬(¬(any statement)) is the statement itself which in fact proves that the closest jelly bean given no constraints is still itself since it is a jelly bean

 

Unless you put qualifiers and limitations (like bonbon and all of us are saying), your bounds and nitpicking are hopeless.

c = ¬(¬ (c )). This is what we call a tautology.

 

Please try again

 

 

I think the best advice I can give you is not to believe 100% everything that a teacher/adult says. They are NOT always right. And there seems to be a distinct difference between "first to something" and "first something closest to something else". You chose the former, so I'm going to describe the former.

 

Consider this scenario. We have 3 objects, blue, green, and red as shown below. I have drawn a graph, with origin 0, as a reference to the location we are looking at. I have cleverly called this origin "last", because it is just an arbitrary origin and I can call it whatever the fuck I want.

 

So let's look here at the first picture.

 

 

Here we can all agree that red is the closest to the origin I have chosen. It is the first object closest to the origin. That is, it is the "first to last". Which makes green "second to last".

 

Next one...

 

 

Same situation. Red is closer, but it is still "first to last" and green is "second to last"

 

Do I need to go further? Ok.

 

 

Damn, red, you gettin' close. But you're still "first to last" and green is "second to last"

 

And I bet you can all guess where this is going.

 

 

Here, red is directly coincident with the origin. That is, red is on last. But, it's clear that red is still the first thing closest to last... Red is indeed still "first to last" and green is "second to last". We don't magically get rid of the point that is at last just because it's there. That's not how science works, bitch.

 

 

 

Anyways, if you don't like graphs, here's another scenario.

 

There are 3 people in a race, A, B, and C. They always finish the race in first, second, and last place respectively.

 

Who can we say was the "first to finish". It's obvious that it was A, right? And that would make B the "second to finish". So by that logic, if we just see finish as "first", then A was the "first to first", B was the "second to first" and C was "last to first". If we invert this, C was the "first to last", B was the "second to last" and A was "third to last"

 

 

 

SO I guess we can sum up this thread.

• I don't care what you chose to believe or not believe, but for the purpose of HG Jailbreak, the last deagle pole will be the "first to last" and the next one will be the "second to last"
  
• But really, you should be using "next to last", in order to avoid this shit from happening at all, because it is the scum of jailbreak. Make some clear fucking orders and we won't have to deal with this shit.
  
• If you do this order again, and kill the wrong pepole or do not specifically clarify which pole you are intending, expect a tlist
  

And if I may offer a little piece of advice, if you really wanted to tarp people, a much better tarp would have been "crouch to the penultimate pole of deagle cage", because the definition of penultimate is set in stone, and we don't need a whole fucking thread for it. (just kidding, don't use this tarp. The point of jailbreak is NOT to tarp people with advanced wording/english/logic, but rather saying something really simple, but tricking Ts into doing the opposite, either by doing simon says, or giving the same order 99 times in a row, then changing it once randomly.)

 

 

But, this thread has gotten too serious for jailbreak, so here's a picture of Prius masterbaiting.

 

[Bonbon]

Completely agree here unless red is your reference object. I.e last pole is your 0 and your using people as your colors or in the scenario that happened your using other poles as your colors.

 

I think you're missing some English here. You definitely did not state that the pole itself was the reference and should be excluded

 

Here's a few things you could have said better, which would produce the results you wanted. Note, in all three scenarios below the "last" is assumed to be the farthest thing away from the global coordinate system's origin (you) and not the reference.

 

Second pole from the last -- This would be the third-last pole from you, as you have stated the very last pole is the reference, and is excluded.

Second pole before the last -- Same as above, you have stated the very last pole is the reference, and is excluded.

 

What you said though

 

Second to last pole - Breaking down this sentence you said I want you to go to the pole that was the <xth object> to <verb>. Where <xth object> is "second pole" and <verb> is "to last". So here the definition of "to last" is "to be farthest away from". So you said "I want you to go to the pole that was the second pole ... to be farthest away". Well, see, here you go the very last people is the first pole to be farthest away from you, ie, you can say that pole was the "the first to last". The next pole is the second pole to be the farthest away from you ie, you can say it was the "second pole to last".

 

So this looks like where the most confusion is coming from, which is completely understandable. You took English advice from a math teacher.

 

So to summarize, all these statements are equivalent

 

[Joey7]

Lets just say your 1st to last pole is the 2nd to last pole because the 1st to last pole is just the last pole, or its just an advanced word tarp