Is Abstinence Unrealistic And Old-Fashioned?

[Arcaninesy]

I read a blog, not even sure how I got to it, but whatever.

http://themattwalshb...-old-fashioned/

From my inbox, an email from a high school student named Jeremy:

 

“Dear Matt, first I want to say I really like your blog. One of my teachers actually mentioned it in class once after you wrote something (she didn’t mention it in a good way lol) and I went and looked you up so I’ve been following you ever since. I know you get so much email so I don’t expect you to see this but in case you do I wanted to get your opinion about something. You write a lot about relationships and everything so I’m wondering if you think abstinence should be encouraged in school?

 

Reason I’m asking is because we are doing our sex ed lessons in health class now and the topic has come up. Yesterday my health teacher was talking about safe sex and someone mentioned abstinence and she said it wasn’t realistic. She said it was an out dated way of thinking and the people who push for it are out of touch because they were probably kids a long time ago. She said sometimes sex can be more casual and isn’t always a part of something serious. Then she asked how many people in the class are sexually active because she said it was important for people not to be ashamed. Almost all the guys in class raised their hands but I didn’t. They were all talking about how sex doesn’t have to be something for marriage or long term relationships. I always wanted to wait for marriage and I hope it’s not weird for me to say that. They said in class that we should be more accepting of sexual expression that doesn’t conform to older ideas. But I still always wanted to wait for marriage. But at this point I feel like an outcast or something.

I read something you wrote about dating once and it seemed like you were saying that people should wait for marriage [to have sex]. What do you thinkabout what my teacher said? Am I weird for not really wanting to go out and hook up with girls and stuff and instead wait for marriage?â€

 

Dear Jeremy,

Yes, it’s weird for you to want to wait until marriage. In spite of the hyper-sexualization of our culture; in spite of society’s decaying moral sensibility; in spite of all of the messages that bombard you every day through every available medium; in spite of the pressure from your classmates; in spite of the bullying from that fool of a “health teacher,†you STILL stand tall and resolve to save yourself for your future wife.

Man, that is weird. It’s also awesome, inspiring, courageous, and extraordinary. Not to mention, Jeremy, you’re doing the RIGHT thing. You’ve got more character than most adults in this country, and you should be commended for it.

Speaking of adults without character, please ignore everything your “health teacher†says on this subject. I have to put quotes around her title because it doesn’t sound like she’s doing much in the way of teaching, and whatever she’s blabbering about has very little to do with “health.†She seems to think there’s a “safe†way for emotionally immature juveniles to have casual sex. Maybe she’ll follow up this performance by advocating “safe drunk driving.â€

Dude, I had to go outside and breathe a little before I even attempted to write back. There is so much I want to say about this woman and the nonsense she spews. In any other context, an adult would probably find themselves on a statewide registry if they went up to a bunch of kids and asked about their sex lives. But this was “educational,†so it’s cool. The most charitable possible interpretation I can muster is that she’s an overgrown gossipy teenager who thinks she’s at a slumber party. “OMG you guys! So who here has had sex??? Let’s play truth or dare!!!!†A less charitable translation of her actions would lead me to the conclusion that she was actively attempting to pressure and humiliate people like you. And not just you, Jeremy. You said every guy in the class raised their hands? Yeah, a lot of them were lying, because that’s just the sort of thing dudes lie about.

So, Mrs. Health Teacher has singlehandedly declared sexual morality dead, has she? With one scoff and wave of her wand she’s buried thousands of years of insight into the topic? Anyone who advocates such things must be “old†and “out dated�

Hmmm. Well, this tattooed 27 year old former DJ happens to be on your side, man.

God forgive me, I’m not old fashioned at all. I don’t think you are, either. Truth only seems old fashioned nowadays because we’ve grown so accustomed to deceit and manipulation. But Truth is eternal, so it can never be old or new. It never ‘was’ or ‘will be.’ It just ‘is.’ It always ‘is.’ Truth never grows old, and if you believe in it and try to live by it, you will always be, in some ways — the only ways that matter — the youngest, freshest, most energetic rebel on the block.

So here’s the point, Jeremy:

 

Our culture tells a lot of lies about sex. Your teacher is one of the liars.

 

There’s plenty of ignorance on the subject. Plenty of confusion. But it’s the lies I hate. The lies that come from people who know better. The people who have made mistakes and now encourage others to make them, too.

You could ask any married person who slept with other people before meeting their spouse (I wouldn’t recommend actually asking this, I’m just trying to illustrate a point here): are you happy about it? Are you glad that you gave yourself to someone other than the person you now love eternally? If you could go back to those times, would you stop yourself?

Was it worth it?

Really, was it worth it?

Do you wish you could say that your spouse is the only person who has experienced these intimate, sacred moments with you? Are you proud that there are other men or women in the world who have seen this side of you? Are you satisfied that what you give to your spouse is now secondhand?

 

If they tell you they feel happy or neutral about the fact that they gave themselves to someone other than their spouse, you’re dealing with someone in a very dysfunctional marriage. Any honest person in a healthy relationship would tell you they’d erase those moments from their lives if they could. They can’t, of course. Nobody can. We can’t live in the past and harp on our mistakes, but this all leads to an important point: the myth of “casual sex†persists, even though many of us — millions and millions — have seen it for what it is. Marriage as an institution is in rough shape, but people still do get married in this country. That means millions have had to look at their spouse and say — probably silently in their own heads, deep in their subconscious — “I have nothing new to give to you.â€

It’s a tragedy, really. It’s a shame. You deal with it and you move on, but “casual sex†has taken its chunk and you’ll never get it back.

Yet few will speak against the predators and perverts in media, Hollywood, and Academia who promote this “casual sex†deception. There should be armies of people opposing it, but instead there is only a small, fringe group of cultural insurgents; the ones we point and laugh at and accuse of having a “boring†and “outdated†view of sexuality.

This is another lie. Casual sex proponents are the ones who have turned sex into something trivial, banal, utilitarian, pointless, joyless, one-dimensional, lifeless, lonely, and disappointing. How could the ones who hold it as sacred also be the ones who make it “boring� No, it’s mainstream culture that’s made sex boring. It’s mainstream culture that is, in fact, afraid of sex. That’s why we spend so much energy shielding ourselves from every natural aspect of it, other than the physical sensation itself.

 

And the ones who believe it to be so much more than that are the ones who make it “boring� THEY are the ones who are afraid of it? They embrace all of it, every part of it, and they are the ones who “hate sex�

Ridiculous. Casual sex is a lie. It’s a lie that rests on lies and breeds lies and turns people into liars.

We’re told that we are sexually “liberated†if we throw ourselves at strangers and give ourselves over to people who couldn’t possibly care less about us. This is yet another lie. If modern attitudes about sex have “liberated†us, what, precisely, have we been freed from? Security? Commitment? Trust? What, we’ve broken the Shackles of Purity and Love and run gleefully into the Meadows of Pornography and Herpes? Because that’s all that our sexual liberation has wrought. A lot of confusion, a lot of porn, a lot of disease, a lot of emotionally desperate, psychologically battered, spiritually broken people wandering around, searching for another stranger who’s willing to go in for a few more rounds of sterile, shallow, pointless sex.

Let freedom ring, right?

Libertas, madam Health Teacher!

 

It’s quite interesting, though. Casual sex has liberated us, yet casual sex produces so many regrets. The landscape is rife with people who have felt the sting of our “hook-up culture.†But where are the people who regret abstinence and monogamy? Sure, some people, while married, think they regret having not “played the field.†Then they play it. And then they learn what regret really feels like.

Even the term “casual sex†is insane. It’s an oxymoron. Denim is casual. Restaurants can be casual. Casual: without serious intention, careless or offhand, informal. A high-five is casual. Sex can only be viewed in this same vein once we have dehumanized ourselves enough to see human sexuality as something no more significant than a pair of jean shorts.

 

Describing sex as “casual†is like describing the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel as a “nice little doodle.†That’s what I can’t stand — the people who diminish and cheapen sex are the ones who get to pass themselves off as “sexually enlightened.â€

It doesn’t surprise me that your crackpot health teacher pulled out the “sexual expression†line. She teaches in our schools yet she doesn’t even understand the words she speaks. To “express†means to SAY something. It means you are indicating something of meaning. When you “express yourself†you are conveying a message about your thoughts, feelings, and character. So shouldn’t we, rather than encouraging sexual expression for the sake of it, encourage MEANINGFUL and POSITIVE sexual expression? In the context of commitment and loyalty, sex expresses something. It expresses: “I love you. I give myself to you.†But what does casual sex express? “Use me and I’ll use you.â€

That’s an expression, alright. An awfully sad, pitiful expression. You’re right to have no interest in going down this road.

 

It sounds like you want to express a different message: self-respect and maturity; honesty and integrity; patience.

And, when the time comes, you’ll express love. Then, you’ll be able to say that you only ever expressed this sort of love to the one person who deserves it. And you’ll both be better for it.

So, in summation, your health teacher is full of it.

You’re on the right path. You’re a rebel. Keep going.

Thanks for writing,

 

Matt

 

TL;DR: A student wrote to some blogger asking about abstinence from sex until after marriage. His health class teacher believes this ideaology is old-fashioned and that sex is an activity everyone should partake in regularly.

The blogger gives a blistering response saying the student is completely right in avoiding these paths, that by doing so we are cheapening sex, and making it worthless.

 

What do you think?

I tend to believe that there's a middle ground here. I do believe abstinence is old-fashioned and unrealistic in today's culture. While I agree that sex is cheapened by experiencing it all the time, I also believe that it's becoming something that is, basically, cheap fun. Whether that's good or bad isn't for me to say, it's simply the way it is.

I really do agree that this "health teacher" almost encouraging sex to students this age is outrageous.

 

People are free to live their lives, and it's not others' places to judge them for the way they do it.

Edited November 11, 2013 by Arcaninesy

[WhataWackaMonk]

So assuming I can rant on about this subject and my strong opinion which others, many of you, will disagree with. Not meaning to offend if you disagree.

 

I think that abstinence is definitely not old-fashioned. Here's why I think this:

 

1. I'm pretty strong Christian (At some times stronger than others XD). Obviously I think sex should wait until marriage from a religious viewpoint.

 

2. I dunno, I think of sex as a very intimate thing. Going and throwing it around kinda takes the edge off of it. It's a pleasure I think you should enjoy sex as a thing in marriage and all that good stuff.

 

3. Sex, especially in the younger peoples, does ruin lives. The STD numbers are staggering. Those kids born out of a drunken night or a hunky boyrfriend who dumped you a week later have to live their life with broken families and possibly terrible parents. Not saying all teenage parents aren't responsible enough to raise a child, but I'm fairly certain the majority aren't.

 

4. Teenage pregnancies, cause you guys know condoms aren't 100%, either make a teen parent, an orphan or an abortion. Now, I'm all for your rights, and I don't think abortion should be outlawed cause there is some terrible stuff that happens, but those younger girls have to live with the physiological affects of their decision for the rest of their lives. Those decisions are truly a terrible place to be because there is no easy answer. Avoiding that is better.

 

Gonna stop now before I accidentally go writing stuff nobody's ever gonna read.

 

Yes I think abstinence should be promoted, and is not old-fashioned. However your life is your life, who I am to tell you what to do.

 

Yo, bear in mind that this is someone who has had one relationship, which wasnt really a relationship, is under 18, and has been raised with this mindset. I'm stupid yo.

[Sonick]

TLDR;

 

[smurfy]

[Chicken Wings]

[Cookie]

johnny bravo has always been my role model, sucks though they canceled the show after he drowned in pussy

[HaRdKnOcKz]

johnny bravo has always been my role model, sucks though they canceled the show after he drowned in pussy

wtfffffffffffffff

[Slowpoke]

johnny bravo has always been my role model, sucks though they canceled the show after he drowned in pussy

 

fucking spoilers man come on

[Arcaninesy]

So assuming I can rant on about this subject and my strong opinion which others, many of you, will disagree with. Not meaning to offend if you disagree.

 

I think that abstinence is definitely not old-fashioned. Here's why I think this:

 

1. I'm pretty strong Christian (At some times stronger than others XD). Obviously I think sex should wait until marriage from a religious viewpoint.

 

2. I dunno, I think of sex as a very intimate thing. Going and throwing it around kinda takes the edge off of it. It's a pleasure I think you should enjoy sex as a thing in marriage and all that good stuff.

 

3. Sex, especially in the younger peoples, does ruin lives. The STD numbers are staggering. Those kids born out of a drunken night or a hunky boyrfriend who dumped you a week later have to live their life with broken families and possibly terrible parents. Not saying all teenage parents aren't responsible enough to raise a child, but I'm fairly certain the majority aren't.

 

4. Teenage pregnancies, cause you guys know condoms aren't 100%, either make a teen parent, an orphan or an abortion. Now, I'm all for your rights, and I don't think abortion should be outlawed cause there is some terrible stuff that happens, but those younger girls have to live with the physiological affects of their decision for the rest of their lives. Those decisions are truly a terrible place to be because there is no easy answer. Avoiding that is better.

 

Gonna stop now before I accidentally go writing stuff nobody's ever gonna read.

 

Yes I think abstinence should be promoted, and is not old-fashioned. However your life is your life, who I am to tell you what to do.

 

Yo, bear in mind that this is someone who has had one relationship, which wasnt really a relationship, is under 18, and has been raised with this mindset. I'm stupid yo.

 

 

2: I completely agree. The sad truth is that that isn't the way most people are anymore. To quote the blog:

"It’s quite interesting, though. Casual sex has liberated us, yet casual sex produces so many regrets. The landscape is rife with people who have felt the sting of our “hook-up culture.†But where are the people who regret abstinence and monogamy? Sure, some people, while married, think they regret having not “played the field.†Then they play it. And then they learn what regret really feels like.

Even the term “casual sex†is insane. It’s an oxymoron. Denim is casual. Restaurants can be casual. Casual: without serious intention, careless or offhand, informal. A high-five is casual. Sex can only be viewed in this same vein once we have dehumanized ourselves enough to see human sexuality as something no more significant than a pair of jean shorts.

 

Describing sex as “casual†is like describing the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel as a “nice little doodle.†That’s what I can’t stand — the people who diminish and cheapen sex are the ones who get to pass themselves off as “sexually enlightened."

 

3 and 4: I do slightly disagree with you here--the answer to these problems is not abstinence, it's responsibility. I personally believe that people don't learn without consequences, and that if you get pregnant, it's your problem. You know what caused it, and you should have considered the consequences before you did it. I believe abortions are murder, and that they should be unquestionably illegal. The problem is much more with responsibility and self-control than anything else, in my opinion.

 

 

Regarding everyone else's responses, I respectfully ask that you keep your childish memes and absolutely disgusting lack of interest to yourselves. There is no necessity to your posts, and if you're just making them to get your post count up, you should go outside and re-think your lives.

[SmellyPenguin]

Humans were meant to have sex at around 15-20 years old like old times. But now, we usually get married in our mid twenties. I think its natural for us to have sex before we get married in that case.

[Sonick]

Humans were meant to have sex at around 15-20 years old like old times. But now, we usually get married in our mid twenties. I think its natural for us to have sex before we get married in that case.

 

I wouldn't buy a car without test driving it.

[Inc]

if you live your life by some artificial code youre not living your life

 

do whatever just dont be a fucking idiot yaknow

[InstantNoodles]

TLDR;

 

 

For some reason i'm not surprised. Anyways I believe it's a choice. You want to have sex before marriage? Go ahead as long as ur not rubbing ur genitals over everything. Some people have genuine reasons for abstinence like religion or personal reasons. But really its if you are willing or not.

[Sonick]

For some reason i'm not surprised.

 

+1, I'm not surprised either.

 

But really its if you are willing or not.

 

I believe that is the whole point in abstinence....

[enigma#]

Humans were meant to have sex at around 15-20 years old like old times. But now, we usually get married in our mid twenties. I think its natural for us to have sex before we get married in that case.

you can see how well instant gratification worked out for our world hue.

[60Seconds]

Such bullshit. Sex is sex, all this intimacy crap is stupid.

 

Abstinence is literally one of the dumbest ideas I've heard of. I graduated from high school ten years ago, and even back then, everyone thought it was bullshit.

 

Really all the girls in my school with the ultra-religious go to church every week moms were the ones having the parties at home and fucking everyone they saw.

 

I am sick of religion interfering with one's daily life. I'm not going to let some book dictate my life, and tell me when I can have sex, what I should eat, who I can or cannot marry or what my wife should do with her body. If you subscribe to that horsecrap, thats great, but you have no right to tell others what to do.

 

About abortion, this is such a non-issue. The issue of abortion was decided by the Supreme Court in the early 70s. I really can't stand it when other men want to decide what goes on with a woman's body. A woman has the right to do with her body as she pleases, and if that means an abortion, then so be it. Thats like someone telling us that we can't jack off because we are killing children with the sperm that is wasted. If your religion says that abortion is wrong, then guess what, thats too fucking bad, because religion doesn't have anything to do with government and never will have anything to do with the government. Whether you want an abortion or not is your choice, don't impose your views on others.

 

And Arcaniesy, who the fuck do you think you are to come in here and talk down people who are more senior than you for posting a meme, and call their lack of interest "disgusting"? This is exactly what I mean by religious people trying to impose their shit on other people. If you don't like what others are doing, ignore it, don't act all high and mighty.

 

And also yes, sex is also a great predictor of how a marriage is going to be. Odds are, if the sex sucks, so will the marriage. So its better to know what your getting into before you lock the door and throw away the key.

 

To be honest, I think abstinence is just something people say they practice when they can't get laid.

Edited November 13, 2013 by Billy Mays

[Arcaninesy]

Such bullshit. Sex is sex, all this intimacy crap is stupid.

 

Abstinence is literally one of the dumbest ideas I've heard of. I graduated from high school ten years ago, and even back then, everyone thought it was bullshit.

 

Really all the girls in my school with the ultra-religious go to church every week moms were the ones having the parties at home and fucking everyone they saw.

 

I am sick of religion interfering with one's daily life. I'm not going to let some book dictate my life, and tell me when I can have sex, what I should eat, who I can or cannot marry or what my wife should do with her body. If you subscribe to that horsecrap, thats great, but you have no right to tell others what to do.

 

About abortion, this is such a non-issue. The issue of abortion was decided by the Supreme Court in the early 70s. I really can't stand it when other men want to decide what goes on with a woman's body. A woman has the right to do with her body as she pleases, and if that means an abortion, then so be it. Thats like someone telling us that we can't jack off because we are killing children with the sperm that is wasted. If your religion says that abortion is wrong, then guess what, thats too fucking bad, because religion doesn't have anything to do with government and never will have anything to do with the government. Whether you want an abortion or not is your choice, don't impose your views on others.

 

And Arcaniesy, who the fuck do you think you are to come in here and talk down people who are more senior than you for posting a meme, and call their lack of interest "disgusting"? This is exactly what I mean by religious people trying to impose their shit on other people. If you don't like what others are doing, ignore it, don't act all high and mighty.

 

And also yes, sex is also a great predictor of how a marriage is going to be. Odds are, if the sex sucks, so will the marriage. So its better to know what your getting into before you lock the door and throw away the key.

 

To be honest, I think abstinence is just something people say they practice when they can't get laid.

 

I'm not sure where I made it clear to you in anything I've said that your sex life is my business. In fact, I dont' recall saying that it was anyone's business but your own. To quote from my first post:

 

I tend to believe that there's a middle ground here. I do believe abstinence is old-fashioned and unrealistic in today's culture. While I agree that sex is cheapened by experiencing it all the time, I also believe that it's becoming something that is, basically, cheap fun. Whether that's good or bad isn't for me to say, it's simply the way it is.

I really do agree that this "health teacher" almost encouraging sex to students this age is outrageous.

 

People are free to live their lives, and it's not others' places to judge them for the way they do it.

 

In fact, I one hundred percent agree with you when you say

I am sick of religion interfering with one's daily life. I'm not going to let some book dictate my life, and tell me when I can have sex, what I should eat, who I can or cannot marry or what my wife should do with her body. If you subscribe to that horsecrap, thats great, but you have no right to tell others what to do.

but also submit that religion only interferes with your life if you allow it to. If it indirectly "interferes" by affecting someone close to you, it is not your place to tell them they're living their life incorrectly any more than it is theirs to tell you you're doing it wrong.

 

 

Regarding abortion, I am not completely certain of where I stand on this issue. However, I believe it should be pointed out that the supreme court is not a good support for this argument. In 1857, in the Dredd Scott vs Sandford decision, blacks were ruled not to be human beings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford

 

I stand by what I said

I believe abortions are murder, and that they should be unquestionably illegal. The problem is much more with responsibility and self-control than anything else, in my opinion.

 

Everyone draws a line somewhere. This line is where we believe life begins. Yours is drawn at birth. Mine is drawn at conception.

 

I repeat, I am not, and have not imposed my views on others.

 

And Arcaniesy, who the fuck do you think you are to come in here and talk down people who are more senior than you for posting a meme, and call their lack of interest "disgusting"? This is exactly what I mean by religious people trying to impose their shit on other people. If you don't like what others are doing, ignore it, don't act all high and mighty.

 

I don't think I should respond to this, but I'm pretty massochistic. So be it.

 

I did not impose anything on anyone. If you don't understand what I meant with this, it's your problem, not mine.

Regarding everyone else's responses, I respectfully ask that you keep your childish memes and absolutely disgusting lack of interest to yourselves. There is no necessity to your posts, and if you're just making them to get your post count up, you should go outside and re-think your lives.

 

I respectfully asked. Then I proceded to attempt to get my point accross using words you seem to think I'm not senior enough to use. If this is that kind of a place, I don't belong here. That's my problem.

 

I originally planned on ignoring it, but could not bring myself to do so, much the same way as I couldn't bring myself to not respond to you. If this topic means nothing to them, they shouldn't be here. If it does mean something to them, they should add meaning to the discussion. I don't think less of them, now, or if they had done either of the above things. I simply asked them to take their memes to another place.

 

They know as well as you and I that there's nothing I can do to stop the posts from coming.

 

 

To be honest, I think abstinence is just something people say they practice when they can't get laid.

 

I have to admit, I had to take a few minutes to respond to this to avoid insulting your intelligence. Here's what I came up with:

 

The biggest reason for abstinence is religion. If you don't know the definition of religion, or what faith is, I can explain, but for the sake of length, I won't do it unless you ask me.

 

The way I see it, it could be used as that excuse, but I'm guessing if you're talking about someone's sex life with them, you'll know them well enough to know that they're either joking, lying, or being serious.

 

Instantnoodles also had a point about abstinence due to personal reasons.

Some people have genuine reasons for abstinence like religion or personal reasons. But really its if you are willing or not.

 

 

In conclusion, I respectfully ask that you be more civil in your responses to me. Again, we both know that there's nothing I can do about it if you decide to decrease your civility. So it's sort of an honor thing, isn't it?

[60Seconds]

I'm not sure where I made it clear to you in anything I've said that your sex life is my business. In fact, I dont' recall saying that it was anyone's business but your own. To quote from my first post:

 

 

 

In fact, I one hundred percent agree with you when you say

 

but also submit that religion only interferes with your life if you allow it to. If it indirectly "interferes" by affecting someone close to you, it is not your place to tell them they're living their life incorrectly any more than it is theirs to tell you you're doing it wrong.

 

 

Regarding abortion, I am not completely certain of where I stand on this issue. However, I believe it should be pointed out that the supreme court is not a good support for this argument. In 1857, in the Dredd Scott vs Sandford decision, blacks were ruled not to be human beings. http://en.wikipedia....ott_v._Sandford

 

I stand by what I said

 

Everyone draws a line somewhere. This line is where we believe life begins. Yours is drawn at birth. Mine is drawn at conception.

 

I repeat, I am not, and have not imposed my views on others.

 

 

 

I don't think I should respond to this, but I'm pretty massochistic. So be it.

 

I did not impose anything on anyone. If you don't understand what I meant with this, it's your problem, not mine.

 

I respectfully asked. Then I proceded to attempt to get my point accross using words you seem to think I'm not senior enough to use. If this is that kind of a place, I don't belong here. That's my problem.

 

I originally planned on ignoring it, but could not bring myself to do so, much the same way as I couldn't bring myself to not respond to you. If this topic means nothing to them, they shouldn't be here. If it does mean something to them, they should add meaning to the discussion. I don't think less of them, now, or if they had done either of the above things. I simply asked them to take their memes to another place.

 

They know as well as you and I that there's nothing I can do to stop the posts from coming.

 

 

 

 

I have to admit, I had to take a few minutes to respond to this to avoid insulting your intelligence. Here's what I came up with:

 

The biggest reason for abstinence is religion. If you don't know the definition of religion, or what faith is, I can explain, but for the sake of length, I won't do it unless you ask me.

 

The way I see it, it could be used as that excuse, but I'm guessing if you're talking about someone's sex life with them, you'll know them well enough to know that they're either joking, lying, or being serious.

 

Instantnoodles also had a point about abstinence due to personal reasons.

 

 

In conclusion, I respectfully ask that you be more civil in your responses to me. Again, we both know that there's nothing I can do about it if you decide to decrease your civility. So it's sort of an honor thing, isn't it?

 

I couldn't care less about honor, I'm not that type of guy, but people in HG like to mess around in threads, its been like that forever, you can't come in here and expect that to change.

 

I apologize for getting a little over heated, religion tends to get me that way.

 

I know exactly what religion is (made up crap).

Edited November 13, 2013 by Billy Mays

[Chicken Wings]

15 year old debates will Billy

[ASCII]

You need a long talk with your parents about this, honor your parents and their wishes. I would consult you to leave the kitty kat alone, it will leave you broke and yearning for more.

[enigma#]

Such bullshit. Sex is sex, all this intimacy crap is stupid.

 

Abstinence is literally one of the dumbest ideas I've heard of. I graduated from high school ten years ago, and even back then, everyone thought it was bullshit.

 

Really all the girls in my school with the ultra-religious go to church every week moms were the ones having the parties at home and fucking everyone they saw.

 

I am sick of religion interfering with one's daily life. I'm not going to let some book dictate my life, and tell me when I can have sex, what I should eat, who I can or cannot marry or what my wife should do with her body. If you subscribe to that horsecrap, thats great, but you have no right to tell others what to do.

 

About abortion, this is such a non-issue. The issue of abortion was decided by the Supreme Court in the early 70s. I really can't stand it when other men want to decide what goes on with a woman's body. A woman has the right to do with her body as she pleases, and if that means an abortion, then so be it. Thats like someone telling us that we can't jack off because we are killing children with the sperm that is wasted. If your religion says that abortion is wrong, then guess what, thats too fucking bad, because religion doesn't have anything to do with government and never will have anything to do with the government. Whether you want an abortion or not is your choice, don't impose your views on others.

 

And Arcaniesy, who the fuck do you think you are to come in here and talk down people who are more senior than you for posting a meme, and call their lack of interest "disgusting"? This is exactly what I mean by religious people trying to impose their shit on other people. If you don't like what others are doing, ignore it, don't act all high and mighty.

 

And also yes, sex is also a great predictor of how a marriage is going to be. Odds are, if the sex sucks, so will the marriage. So its better to know what your getting into before you lock the door and throw away the key.

 

To be honest, I think abstinence is just something people say they practice when they can't get laid.

 

 

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I couldn't care less about honor, I'm not that type of guy, but people in HG like to mess around in threads, its been like that forever, you can't come in here and expect that to change.

 

I apologize for getting a little over heated, religion tends to get me that way.

 

I know exactly what religion is (made up crap).