Ban Category | Regular Ban |
Subject Steam ID | 1:9825645 |
Subject Name | Trollercoaster |
By | tfreeman451 |
Server (And Mod) | [HG] 24/7 Crackhouse Deathmatch | 100 Tick | gameME | HeLLsGamers.com |
Datetime Added | (106mon 2wk 5d 21h 51m ago)2016-09-18 03:36 AM |
Duration | Permanent |
Friend of HG | Multi hack. troller3.dem (20.47 MB) |
Friend of HG | reviewing. |
HG Member | This player is not legit. He has an 80% headshot ratio on a DM server. That would put him at the third highest headshot percentage of any player with over 5000 lifetime kills ever, including confirmed and banned aimbotters/hackers. An 80% headshot ratio is almost impossible even in professional competitive source. His situational awareness and play style does not at all fit for somebody who plays with well beyond competitive level accuracy. At 4.5 kills per minute, but only 1.5 kills per death and over 75% of those kills headshots. That makes him the best para user on the server with over 500 lifetime para kills, ever. That includes all of the cheaters and hackers who've come before him. This is a case of a subtle cheater, who uses cheats to make him appear better than he is, but without going full tilt and aimbotting down the whole server. This ban should not be disproved without very meticulous analysis of the demo at very slow playback and with 'r_drawothermodels 2', 'sv_showimpacts 1', and carefully paying attention to any possibility of visual ques that would other provoke a player to shoot another through a wall despite having no visibility whatsoever. This demo below was recorded earlier than freemans. trollercoaster.dem (7.77 MB) |
Friend of HG | Thanks for the report. Wall hacks detected and many of his shots do not match up with his cross hairs or the impacts that are reported. |
Friend of HG | Hydranix_ wrote: This player is not legit. He has an 80% headshot ratio on a DM server. That would put him at the third highest headshot percentage of any player with over 5000 lifetime kills ever, including confirmed and banned aimbotters/hackers. An 80% headshot ratio is almost impossible even in professional competitive source. It's DM. It's a lot easier to take your time and aim to get headshots when you know there's 0 risk involved. There's no winning or losing. There's 0 pressure. I'm going to respawn and be back where I was in 2 seconds. Competitve source is not even close to an apples-to-apples comparison. Hydranix_ wrote: His situational awareness and play style does not at all fit for somebody who plays with well beyond competitive level accuracy. I'm not sure what you mean by that. I should have a specific playstyle on a DM server? I should be using shift to walk to listen for footsteps? I should be changing positions so that you can't prefire me? To be honest, I don't care about any of that in DM. If I hear steps, I hear them; I don't turn my volume up and turn my music off just to play DM. I change positions when I feel like it, not because someone knows I'm there. Like I said before, it's DM, and I don't care about dying. Hydranix_ wrote: At 4.5 kills per minute, but only 1.5 kills per death and over 75% of those kills headshots. That makes him the best para user on the server with over 500 lifetime para kills, ever. That includes all of the cheaters and hackers who've come before him. I appreciate the benchmarks, those are pretty cool stats. I only just started using the para, I never realized it was a 1 hit headshot in CSS. It's pretty awesome for 1 tapping. You'd be amazed at what you can do when you focus on shooting people in the head, instead of just holding left click in their general direction. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm near the top for the deagle, too. Hydranix_ wrote: This is a case of a subtle cheater, who uses cheats to make him appear better than he is, but without going full tilt and aimbotting down the whole server. Of course, who doesn't like risking their 11 year old Steam account to get VACed to subtly aimbot people in a DM server. My account is worth $1875, just checked it. I'd love to throw that all away to have a measly KD in a DM server in a game that isn't relevant anymore. What sense does that make in the slightest? http://prestigegaming.gameme.com/playerinfo/234970">Here is a link to a TF2 GameME stats page for me. The stats are very similar. That's the only other stats page that I can think of that I'd be on. I don't think GameMe is very popular in any of the other games that I play. I'd be happy to provide other proof, if you'd like. Although I'm not sure exactly how to prove innocence in this case, since it seems I'm guilty before innocent. I'd happily record a First person view of me playing rather than trusting a demo, which are notorious for being inaccurate and not a great representation of what actually happened. I don't have one currently, but if needed, I can use ShadowPlay. I've been banned 3 times today for the same thing. Apparently the opinion of two other admins wasn't good enough for you guys. If you look hard enough at those demos, I'm sure you'll find what you want to see, especially when you're already convinced that I'm cheating and can't get over the fact that someone may be better than you, or may have better shots than you. I do not appreciate this harassment that I've received today. I understand being suspicious and spectating me. I don't appreciate you trying to troll me and put me on tilt. That's not cool, especially from a moderator. It's very childish, in fact. If anyone should be disciplined for anything, it is you for trying to put a player on your server on tilt because he is better than you and you're convinced that he's cheating, even though you don't have proof. Do you do this often to players better than you? I'm sure that's a great way to keep people around when you're setting an example like that. |
Friend of HG | While I was writing that last reply, the post was updated my GomerPyle. Gomerpyle wrote: Thanks for the report. Wall hacks detected and many of his shots do not match up with his cross hairs or the impacts that are reported. If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to know what parts of the demo led you to the conclusion that I'm wall hacking. On the shots not matching up, that's simply how demos are. Demos are a general reconstruction of what happened, not a recording. They're not perfect. Even spectating someone is not a perfect reconstruction of what they're seeing. It's just the way that the engine is. There's plenty of examples of demos not matching up to what truly is happening, in this game and in others. They're no where near as smooth as the actual gameplay. They look glitchy and have a lot of snapping. When I flick shot someone, the demo only records so many keyframes in that movement. I do believe that demos are recorded at 32(33?) tics. The server is running at 66tic. That means that the demo only records half of the movements that actually happen on the server. If it is a fast shot, it will definitely look wonky because only half of the movements that were involved in the shot are cut out, and there is still the issue that demos are unreliable in general. |
Friend of HG | Only one of them is a MOD and Both of them are actually rather careful about carelessly banning people and always submit proof of what they feel is hacking. I reviewed the demo's and found evidence of you tracking people though the wall on quite a few occasions and of several times when your shots did not match up with the cross hairs or with the impacts registered with sv_showimpacts 1 |
HG Member | Troller coaster wrote: Of course, who doesn't like risking their 11 year old Steam account to get VACed to subtly aimbot people in a DM server. My account is worth $1875, just checked it. I'd love to throw that all away to have a measly KD in a DM server in a game that isn't relevant anymore. What sense does that make in the slightest? There are plenty of cheats that VAC does not and will never detect, and will never get a steam account VAC banned. Troller coaster wrote: I do not appreciate this harassment that I've received today. I understand being suspicious and spectating me. I don't appreciate you trying to troll me and put me on tilt. That's not cool, especially from a moderator. It's very childish, in fact. If anyone should be disciplined for anything, it is you for trying to put a player on your server on tilt because he is better than you and you're convinced that he's cheating, even though you don't have proof. Do you do this often to players better than you? I'm sure that's a great way to keep people around when you're setting an example like that. This was the first time I've encountered you, but after a bit of research things do not add up. I've not harassed you in any way. If you feel that I have, you can file a complaint against me on our forums. http://hellsgamers.com/form/form/6-abuse-report/ As for putting you on tilt, I've done no such thing. As for provoking you with some harmless shit talking and annoying window spraying, none of that is against out rules here. Don't get me wrong, I was not trying at all to chase you off or make you feel unwelcome. Quite the contrary. The stats alone show that either you're the best player to play on this server ever, and I've played with almost every single player for the past 2-3 years, or you're cheating. At several points in the demo you remarkably single tap kill somebody with only a couple pixels visibility just as they step up to the window, with no prior indication or visual ques at all. This also takes place in the tens of milliseconds time frame, which also means you're the fastest reacting human on earth, ever. I will however say, that your response here was mature, calm, and presented far better than the majority of responses I see here. I respect that. |
Friend of HG | I'm aware that only one is a mod. My response was targeted toward Hydranix. Freeman did nothing wrong. Hydranix was purposefully trying to harass me so that I would try harder and hack harder. Unfortunately for him, I'm not cheating, and he just looks childish saying he's going to "rape" me. I understand that you saw evidence of me tracking people through walls. I asked for timestamps so that I can view them myself and perhaps explain what I was thinking and why I was following them. If I'm just shooting a wall and you're spectating me in game, you're going to suspect a lot less than when you're viewing the demo with walls on so that you can see others that I can't. It's no doubt it will look more suspicious when you have the wallhacks (r_drawothermodels). It's easy to convince yourself that someone is cheating by doing that, it happens all the time in CSGO, in both overwatch for competitive and in the pro scene. There's been countless posts of accusations of pros cheating on Reddit based on viewing demos with the wallhacks on. A lot of time it is just coincidence or sound or just random guessing since it's DM on crackhouse, and there's only so many places that people can be. |
HG Member | Troller coaster wrote: On the shots not matching up, that's simply how demos are. Demos are a general reconstruction of what happened, not a recording. They're not perfect. Even spectating someone is not a perfect reconstruction of what they're seeing. It's just the way that the engine is. There's plenty of examples of demos not matching up to what truly is happening, in this game and in others. They're no where near as smooth as the actual gameplay. They look glitchy and have a lot of snapping. When I flick shot someone, the demo only records so many keyframes in that movement. I do believe that demos are recorded at 32(33?) tics. The server is running at 66tic. That means that the demo only records half of the movements that actually happen on the server. If it is a fast shot, it will definitely look wonky because only half of the movements that were involved in the shot are cut out, and there is still the issue that demos are unreliable in general. demo_interpolateview 0 |
Friend of HG | Locked until further review |
Friend of HG | Just saw that the thread was unlocked once more. Hydranix_ wrote: There are plenty of cheats that VAC does not and will never detect, and will never get a steam account VAC banned. I'm aware of that. I have been playing since 2005. That doesn't mean that I'd take that risk on my account. The game is $20. I'm sure it goes on sale for much less than that. There is absolutely no reason to take the teeniest tiniest risk of a VAC ban on this account when I can just buy the game on another account for $20 and not give a damn. Hydranix_ wrote: This was the first time I've encountered you, but after a bit of research things do not add up. I've not harassed you in any way. If you feel that I have, you can file a complaint against me on our forums. http://hellsgamers.com/form/form/6-abuse-report/ As for putting you on tilt, I've done no such thing. As for provoking you with some harmless shit talking and annoying window spraying, none of that is against out rules here. Don't get me wrong, I was not trying at all to chase you off or make you feel unwelcome. Quite the contrary. Harmless shit talking? I don't believe that you can be the judge of harmless shit talking since you weren't the one that it was directed towards. I don't care about stuff like that. Some people do. If you say stuff like that to people that you do not know on your server, no matter what you suspect of them, it does not reflect well upon you or your community. Sure I don't care, but maybe someone else in the server did. So they'll cross this community off their list of server to go to because they don't appreciate that. Maybe the next time you do that directly to someone, they do care, and they don't come back. That's the point I'm making. You, as a mod, are held to a higher standard, a representative of a community. If you appear toxic, someone who doesn't have as much experience on the server will think that the community as a whole is toxic if the moderators of it shit talk players that they've never met before. Hydranix_ wrote: The stats alone show that either you're the best player to play on this server ever, and I've played with almost every single player for the past 2-3 years, or you're cheating. Well someone has to be the best. Just because you've never seen me before doesn't mean that I cannot be. I am far from the best, though. I have my on days where I just zone out in DM and swing my mouse around and get headshots. I also have off days where I can't hit shit. There's even some points in the demo that I saw where if I played like that the whole night no one would have batted an eye because it was literally terrible. An awful case of potato aim. Hydranix_ wrote: At several points in the demo you remarkably single tap kill somebody with only a couple pixels visibility just as they step up to the window, with no prior indication or visual ques at all. This also takes place in the tens of milliseconds time frame, which also means you're the fastest reacting human on earth, ever. There's some exaggeration here or the demo's timeline is screwed up. My reaction time is pretty bad, at least when I play competitive CS or Overwatch. I'm sure if you look there are plenty of times where I do the same, except I don't get the kill. You're only selecting the ones that confirm your suspicions that I'm cheating and ignoring the flicks at windows that miss. I'm absolutely positive that there are many more of the misses than the hits. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. In DM when there's 10 people on the team respawning over and over, jumping out of and peeking the same windows, I'd hope that I can at least hit a couple of them in a 20 minute time frame. Hydranix_ wrote: I will however say, that your response here was mature, calm, and presented far better than the majority of responses I see here. I respect that. There's no reason to not be calm. I'm not cheating, and I am hopeful that someone else can see that. If they don't, oh well. I have nothing invested here; I won't have anything invested here. And that's not a criticism of the community or a result of any interactions I've had here. Its just a server that I was playing because I was bored of Overwatch and CSGO and wanted to zone out and 1 tap some people. Honestly, I installed CSS today because I wanted to play some TTT in Garry's Mod. I played on the server because I used to spend a lot of time on it and others like it when I used to play CSS more consistently a long time ago, and because I just built my new computer with a 144hz monitor and wanted to see the difference. |
Friend of HG | Reviewed 6 minutes of the demo at 30-65% normal speed with r_drawothermodels 2 enabled and this is what I found to be "suspicious". 0:58 shot at enemy through a wall 1:32 walling enemy 3:12 - 3:16 setting up to damage if not kill enemy on floor above him. (enemy was silent and not moving) 3:33 shooting feet of enemy through wall 4:04 shooting legs through walls 4:16 shots at enemy through a wall 5:23 - 5:30 looking at enemy hiding. He looks to be waiting for one to peak as if to not be obvious. also had a .80 headshot ratio |
Friend of HG | After multiple times viewing these demos I also have to come to the conclusion of hacking / aim assist. |
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