ExGBrian Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Why can't non admin players use sm_who? We sometimes need to find out who's admin or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 +1 to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 One argument to that would be to say that if non-admin players could find out if there are admins on the server and who exactly, that knowing an admin is on tells players to be on their best behaviour. If they don't know if an admin is on they will keep doing whatever they were doing before they knew an admin was on; this is aimed towards players breaking rules and whatnot. Plus some people just like to troll admins. I'm neutral on this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jella Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 One argument to that would be to say that if non-admin players could find out if there are admins on the server and who exactly, that knowing an admin is on tells players to be on their best behaviour. If they don't know if an admin is on they will keep doing whatever they were doing before they knew an admin was on; this is aimed towards players breaking rules and whatnot. Plus some people just like to troll admins. I'm neutral on this idea. It's safe to assume that there is always an admin on jailbreak, yet people still act like idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 It's safe to assume that there is always an admin on jailbreak, yet people still act like idiots. True, but in other servers like Minigames for example: there won't be any admins on and there's players trolling and such and then I get a message on Steam from a friend in-game like "Hey can you get in here there's some people being douchebags and such" and I'll be like "Yeah sure no problem". As soon as I get in and I warn the player/s about whatnot, about 50-80% of the time (depends on the person really) will stop doing whatever they weren't supposed to be doing. I'm assuming Brian also wants the sm_who command to be a global command for non-admins, not just for Jailbreak non-admins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR.OBVIOUS Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 It's safe to assume that there is always an admin on jailbreak, yet people still act like idiots. At times I have found that jailbreak is without admins. Usually happens in the mornings. On other servers like minigames, there is rarely any admin on, but trouble is usually kept to a minimum. I too am neutral on this as I do agree on it being a mask for people not to know if there is an admin on (unless the admin uses chat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazaHorse Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 In the end we want people to be on their best behavior in the servers. Are you more or less likely to steal from a 7-11 if a cop is at the counter buying a donut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR.OBVIOUS Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 In the end we want people to be on their best behavior in the servers. Are you more or less likely to steal from a 7-11 if a cop is at the counter buying a donut? Ya but if the cop is in disguise and you steal from the 7-11, you pay for your actions and won't do em again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jella Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to deter people from being jerks in the first place.. Why bait people into doing stuff so you can ban them? Sounds like a bit of a power trip to me. If knowing that an admin is in a server will stop some people from acting like idiots, then so let people know admins are around. And really, those who get banned are the ones who troll regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazaHorse Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to deter people from being jerks in the first place.. Why bait people into doing stuff so you can ban them? Sounds like a bit of a power trip to me. If knowing that an admin is in a server will stop some people from acting like idiots, then so let people know admins are around. And really, those who get banned are the ones who troll regardless. She's got the right idea. The most basic premise of police force is not punishment but deterrence. For a clan running gaming servers, it is better that people NOT act up at all than that they act up and get banned/punished for it. You can see it in Jailbreak quite clearly. I'd rather have these closet trolls stay in the closet than to repeatedly step out only to get my foot in their ass guiding them back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackberry4511 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 It says admin next to the persons name when they type..... I think thats a good enough give away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Council Kigen Posted October 16, 2011 Executive Council Share Posted October 16, 2011 You guys have to look at it in the reverse as well. If we were to make sm_who accessible to everyone then trolls would know when admins are not on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazaHorse Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 You guys have to look at it in the reverse as well. If we were to make sm_who accessible to everyone then trolls would know when admins are not on. Yes but it seems like this suggestion is mostly for the Jailbreak and Minigames servers, both of which usually have at least one admin on throughout the day (obviously more so for Jailbreak than Minigames). It's like saying you should take out security cameras from stores because stores without them will get robbed too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Council Kigen Posted October 16, 2011 Executive Council Share Posted October 16, 2011 Yes but it seems like this suggestion is mostly for the Jailbreak and Minigames servers, both of which usually have at least one admin on throughout the day (obviously more so for Jailbreak than Minigames). It's like saying you should take out security cameras from stores because stores without them will get robbed too much. Its quite the opposite. There are multiple reasons why making sm_who available to everyone is a bad idea. (Camera analogy was bad....) If a troll doesn't know if an admin is on or not they are taking a risk. If they know no admin is on, then they know they won't get instantly banned for whatever the fuck they're going to do. Plus, paying admins are under no obligation to respond to issues arising in the servers. Making sm_who available to non-admins will cause players to bitch more to an admin that doesn't desire to handle whatever they're bitching about (ex, admin didn't see the violation thus doesn't want to handle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaincracker Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 If you need to know whether or not an admin is on the server just ask, if there is they will probably respond >_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR.OBVIOUS Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Well...I see this will go nowhere because there are two ways to look at it, and both ways are too good to argue about without the risk of a mind-plosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigSaw Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 I think it scares the crap out of the troll/minge, so they will most likey not do it unless they are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Derp Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Like a staff member explained to me, for regular player the [admin] in front of peoples names is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa John Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Its quite the opposite. There are multiple reasons why making sm_who available to everyone is a bad idea. (Camera analogy was bad....) If a troll doesn't know if an admin is on or not they are taking a risk. If they know no admin is on, then they know they won't get instantly banned for whatever the fuck they're going to do. Plus, paying admins are under no obligation to respond to issues arising in the servers. Making sm_who available to non-admins will cause players to bitch more to an admin that doesn't desire to handle whatever they're bitching about (ex, admin didn't see the violation thus doesn't want to handle). This, there is absolutely no reason why non-admins need to know who is an admin on the server. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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