Elephant Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Oh my god this is a bad idea. silly canada, politics is for america Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaincracker Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 mccain 2012? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60Seconds Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 mccain 2012? I can't say I agree with much of what John Mccain says, but he is a person that I can respect. Mitt Romney is nothing compared to Mccain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaX Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) I'm proudly saying that I voted for Obama in 2008 and I'm voting for him again this year. He created affordable healthcare, so we no longer have to watch the poor die because their insurance company is denying them an operation. Hes created tons of jobs. He opened up stem-cell research. Countless other achievements. Heres a site of what hes done so far. http://obamaachievements.org/list. Mitt Romney hasn't done anything except laying off hundreds of our fellow Americans. Billys looking forward to 600 dollar electric bills for HALF of the electric he uses now. top reasons NOT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA, 1) Tax restraint for middle and lower class: Obama pledged during his campaign and throughout his presidency not to raise taxes on families making less than $250,000. But ObamaCare’s individual mandate will hit many under the $250,000 mark. (Obama’s own Justice Department said the mandate was a tax, not a penalty, when it argued its constitutionality.) Not to mention a higher federal cigarette tax and countless other “fees” in the health care law that hit the middle and lower class. 2. Has used the E.P.A and your hard earned tax dollars to try and bankrupt the coal and gas industry. Lets face it folks.. CLEAN COAL IS WORKING.. coal produces over 60% of the nations power.. New coal fired power plants like longview power plant near Morgantown WV is so efficient and clean it barely shows up on the u.s carbon footprint map..+ produces near 3x the power as any older style plant. Has not allowed the keystone pipeline.. creating 1000s of jobs here in the united states. Also making it hard for companies to drill in North Dakota for gas and oil.. that reserve is much greater then the one in texas years ago.. again He'd rather us buy oil and gas from over seas instead of creating jobs here in the states.. PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE HOW MUCH ENERGY WE USE AND THIS ELECTION IS GIGANTIC AS FAR AS ENERGY IS CONCERNED. YOU THINK GAS PRICES SUCK?? JUST WAIT !! Natural gas is next and without coal where are we going to get the energy? So your electric bill goes to 600 per month because no one can make power. dont say windmills. Because there's 1000s around salt lake city and they cant produce nearly enough to power it.. Now try a whole nation.. wont/cant/will never happen. c) QUESTION.. For those of you here in the states.. what is a bigger national threat? terrorism from abroad or a nation with blackouts? 3) Remember this??? Keep your doctor: President Obama repeatedly pledged that under his health care measure, Americans would be able to keep their doctors. However, with rising costs, many employers will dump their health care plans and force workers into the state health care exchanges (unless you belong to one of the unions getting ObamaCare waivers.) A survey by McKinsey & Company found that more than 30% of companies will discontinue coverage for their workers. Do yourself a favor... want a real opinion on obamacare??? ASK YOUR DOCTOR. It's a joke. You get a major illness? They fix it how the government sees fit.. not by the best recommendation of an actual doctor. Constitutional oath: During his January 2009 inauguration, Barack Obama pledged to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” yet he has consistently ignored the 10th Amendment giving powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the states. Exhibit No. 1: ObamaCare Gave welfare back for free.. hell you dont need a job or need to train to get one.. just get a free check. ITS THE AMERICAN WAY.. No worries our hard earned tax dollars of the middle class will carry your dead ass to the mailbox. IF YOU ARE ON WELFARE YOU SHOULD BE STUDYING TO GET OFF OF IT.. AT LEAST TRY AND GET A JOB. put the bong down.. i could go on and on and on how fail obama is.. Mit isnt the best choice. But hes Farrrr better then Obama will ever be.. Edited August 31, 2012 by JaX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-O-P-rime Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Did you guys hear that turtles might be immortal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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60Seconds Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) Billys looking forward to 600 dollar electric bills for HALF of the electric he uses now. First off, that is complete bs, Republican lies. Secondly, I'd rather pay more for a few years and not pollute the environment than pay less and help terrorists kill our soldiers and fuck up our environment. Edited August 31, 2012 by Billy Mays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bort Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 But you know who's the real assholes: Independents, am i right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaX Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm a coal miner and a realist. I take no sides bro. and psst btw. Theres 2 new coal fired power plants in the united states built before your hero signed exec orders for no more to be built. THAT DONT EVEN SHOW UP ON THE CARBON FOOTPRINT. clean coal + natural gas work.. what are you going to do when you cant log on to your pc and leave the lights on for less then 500 per month?? oohh thats right.. you own a beemer you can afford that too.. not saying you dont work or deserve what you have and no disrespect.. But Obama is the biggest anti bill of rights prez in American history.. google it. republicans have it right in some ways.. big nation/small gov GOVERNMENT DOESNT BELONG IN RELIGION , HEALTHCARE OR ENERGY. Edited August 31, 2012 by JaX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60Seconds Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'm a coal miner and a realist. I take no sides bro. and psst btw. Theres 2 new coal fired power plants in the united states built before your hero signed exec orders for no more to be built. THAT DONT EVEN SHOW UP ON THE CARBON FOOTPRINT. clean coal + natural gas work.. what are you going to do when you cant log on to your pc and leave the lights on for less then 500 per month?? oohh thats right.. you own a beemer you can afford that too.. not saying you dont work or deserve what you have and no disrespect.. But Obama is the biggest anti bill of rights prez in American history.. google it. republicans have it right in some ways.. big nation/small gov GOVERNMENT DOESNT BELONG IN RELIGION , HEALTHCARE OR ENERGY. I'm sorry but there is no such thing as clean coal. I don't mean to disrespect your profession. I know you work really hard and risk your life everyday, but Coal is not the way to go. Do you want to live in a clean country or a country that is full of smog? Coal fired power plants pollute the country, two of them may not, but all of them added up, they can cause a hell of a lot of damage. Republicans are the ones who want to involve government in religion by putting Creationism into schools. When healthcare was left unregulated, people died because insurance companies didn't want to lose money on them. The government should promote clean energy sources, and help get them off the ground. Republicans claim to want small government, but they don't want to allow abortions, or give people the right to marry whoever they want to. They want to deny minorities the right to vote. I'd make a list, but its 2:37 am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaX Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) Obama's exec order ( we cant build anymore coal fired power plants ) no clean coal?? http://www.americaspower.org/clean-coal-jobs-are-green-jobs http://www.americaspower.org/our-commitment-clean-energy-future lets try nuclear!!!! it worked out well for Japan. ( No offense but shit happens ) heres an idea.. lets shut off 60% of the nations power TOMORROW. see how well the u.s does.. and lets lay off 550,000 jobs lol. and see how well the middle class holds up.. and there's an extra 1.? million jobs in fabrication for materials that go into mines.. everything from flame proof paint to Nuts and bolts to work boots to clothing to 100s of different kinds of protection materials not to mention tools and other crap like STEEL that go into mines.. think of the communities and states that coal supports. 27 states mine bro.. 27 isnt that 2 states MORE THEN HALF?? Gotta ask Billy? Did you Serve in the Military? I did.. My brothers,Dad,Uncles and grandfathers did as well.. Obama didnt.. Hell He wasnt even BORN HERE.. did that proof ever come around? I mean that wasnt fab'd up somewhere. He's bought and paid for by big companies like BP and drug companies. He's about a bad as bush. Only difference is.. Bush allowed,plotted and executed the biggest travesty in American History. 9-11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQd86V8h4CI&feature=related Kennedy,Regan,CLINTON were by far the best presidents in the last 80 years. Clinton was amazing. and also a Dem.. Billy i go by whats right for Americans. Not by dem or gop. Obama is a GREAT speaker.. but do some hard research on him.. you won't vote for him again. Paul SHOULD have gotten the republican Nom imo. stick to the constitution you cant go wrong.. agreed he's a doctor.. He might know something about helping healthcare.. Obama care isnt it. Doctors should have the power to help people as they see fit.. Not how a government or health insurance agency says how to. Edited August 31, 2012 by JaX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingless Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) I'll just say that every election season, I get really angry. Not even at the politicians, who I expect to lie and deceive, but the American sheep who take everything they have to say as the gospel. Those citizens are the ones shaping tomorrow, and they're still not smart enough to think for themselves. The Republicans have clashed with my sense of morality the last two elections, and Mitt's ticket is more full of idiots than the incumbent, so that pretty much seals the deal for me. It's a shame that independent candidates have almost no chance of winning. That'd be a lot of fun. I'd give you the party line I give to sheeple during serious arguments, where tjey want to argue civil rights, but then the thread WOULD be closed. Also, this Thread is about to go off the deep end. Keep your conspiracy theories to yourself. I served, and I care about a lot of other things before military service of a candidate. I also served with people who got their citizenship because they enlisted, and they were finer men than some that were born with it. Edited August 31, 2012 by Wingless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60Seconds Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) Obama's exec order ( we cant build anymore coal fired power plants ) no clean coal?? http://www.americaspower.org/clean-coal-jobs-are-green-jobs http://www.americaspower.org/our-commitment-clean-energy-future lets try nuclear!!!! it worked out well for Japan. ( No offense but shit happens ) heres an idea.. lets shut off 60% of the nations power TOMORROW. see how well the u.s does.. and lets lay off 550,000 jobs lol. and see how well the middle class holds up.. and there's an extra 1.? million jobs in fabrication for materials that go into mines.. everything from flame proof paint to Nuts and bolts to work boots to clothing to 100s of different kinds of protection materials not to mention tools and other crap like STEEL that go into mines.. think of the communities and states that coal supports. 27 states mine bro.. 27 isnt that 2 states MORE THEN HALF?? Gotta ask Billy? Did you Serve in the Military? I did.. My brothers,Dad,Uncles and grandfathers did as well.. Obama didnt.. Hell He wasnt even BORN HERE.. did that proof ever come around? I mean that wasnt fab'd up somewhere. He's bought and paid for by big companies like BP and drug companies. He's about a bad as bush. Only difference is.. Bush allowed,plotted and executed the biggest travesty in American History. 9-11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQd86V8h4CI&feature=related Kennedy,Regan,CLINTON were by far the best presidents in the last 80 years. Clinton was amazing. and also a Dem.. Billy i go by whats right for Americans. Not by dem or gop. Obama is a GREAT speaker.. but do some hard research on him.. you won't vote for him again. Paul SHOULD have gotten the republican Nom imo. stick to the constitution you cant go wrong.. agreed he's a doctor.. He might know something about helping healthcare.. Obama care isnt it. Doctors should have the power to help people as they see fit.. Not how a government or health insurance agency says how to. Have you seen who America's Power is funded by? The Coal Industry. Not very trustworthy source of info. Just because it holds a lot of jobs, that doesn't mean that its right. Green jobs can replace many Coal-related jobs. Nuclear power has incurred 3 accidents over the years, how many people has coal mining killed? I didn't serve in the military, but some of my family members did. What do you need Obama to show to prove that he was born here? Hes shown his birth certificate. Why don't you just admit that you think Obama wasn't born here because he is an African-American? You just can't stand having a black guy thats more powerful than you right? As much as I don't like Bush, he did not plot 9/11. Claiming that is disrespectful to the families of the 3000+ people who don't have fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, uncles, or aunts anymore. I was there, I saw the second plane hit the towers. Are you telling me that I saw wrong? http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Coalition_for_Clean_Coal_Electricity#Legislative Take a look at who really funds "America's Power" Wingless, this is why we need a Political forum section, so that you and I can get our actual arguments out. Edited August 31, 2012 by Billy Mays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The_Monkey Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 This thread should be burned with fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluHorse Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 in during shitstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimzy Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I would say something to get all of you upset. But yeah whenever americans on the hg forums start talking about politics, it gets super heated, plastered no way a "nice chat" about politics is possible here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlock Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I was actually at the RNC and I'm still at my hotel in Tampa. It sucked. Romney's speech was dumb and full of lies. He always claims hes a great businessman, and that he saved a lot of companies at Bain Capital and he did so during his speech. However he always flips shit when Democrats grill him on how many people hes laid off and says that what he did at Bain Capital has nothing to do with his campaigns. Paul Ryan blamed Obama for a GM Plant closing that actually closed during the Bush administration. The RNC was full of lies and hate. Just look at the Republican delegates that threw nuts at an African-American CNN Camerawoman and said "This is how we feed animals." He demonstrated the Republican platform on African-Americans. I also really hated it when Romney said "Are we better off now than four years ago?" He damn well knows that we are. He also said that "When you need big stuff done... You need an American" Barack Obama isn't any less American than Romney is, and I'd say even more American, because unlike Romney, he didn't avoid his taxes, and he doesn't keep his money in Switzerland. He doesn't want to tax wealthy people, when people like myself don't need any more tax breaks. I've had enough tax breaks, and anyone within my income level or above damn well knows that they don't need those tax breaks either. Its called greed, and I've had enough of it. I'm proudly going to be attending the DNC in Charlotte. OBAMA 2012!!!You. I like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazaHorse Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I'm going to chairperson the "Billy Mays Appreciation Fund" and donate all the funds raised to Sarah Palin's election campaign in 2016 for State Penguin Wrassler of Alaska. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60Seconds Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) I would say something to get all of you upset.But yeah whenever americans on the hg forums start talking about politics, it gets super heated, plastered no way a "nice chat" about politics is possible here Kimzy don't worry, the Republicans here think that all Europeans are socialists. They think that every country in Europe is communist. They hate free healthcare, they think that we should let people in a less desirable financial situation die in hospitals because their insurance companies don't want to pay for their operations or outright refuse to serve them because they have a pre-existing medical condition. Obamacare changed that, and the Republicans are mad. They think that the progressive taxes that you have are wrong and that its normal for wealthy people to pay 13% taxes just like Mitt Romney does. Oh sorry, we don't know that yet, because Mitt Romney hasn't released his tax returns. The tea partiers are following Romney and their ringleaders, the CEOs of the corporations who are avoiding taxes like drones because there is a black guy thats more powerful than them for the first time in their lives, and they can't stand it. Republicans also like to deny science. They don't believe in global warming, they also think that evolution is untrue, and want to teach our kids in public schools the same. They are whats keeping this grand country back. Edited August 31, 2012 by Billy Mays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaX Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 1st off.. i mean no disrespect. 2nd I dont care if Obama is purple.. Im no racist and the way you state that.. makes me sound as such.. Black,white,purple,blue,yellow makes no difference. 3RD.. As far as the towers. How come in South America a building burned for DAYS BEFORE IT FELL.. Airplane fuel doesn't burn for that long.. its explosive and burns fast.. But not hot as something like say diesel.. which burns crazy hot for a long period of time. If you understand math then you understand PHYSICS http://911u.org/Physics/ Bad site imo. BUT the math is correct. Look at pictures of the columns in 10000 different photos of the buildings.. all look perfectly cut. Several Universities throughout the U.S have done the same studies.. same results. Watch vids of buildings being "pulled" and see what a controlled fall looks like... then watch the towers. I know explosives well and have military demo experience. I hate to say something like that and i'll stop now on that issue.. But when institutions that teach kids on a daily basis " University's and Colleges" all come up with the same answers.. math and facts do not lie. Notice i called it a travesty. That should have never have happened. You mean to tell me that we have satellites in the n.s.a watching people of interest and they didnt see that coming? The united states Is waaaaaaaay ahead of its time.. I think it was something different and i have a right to my own opinion.. I agree with ^^^ I know a few of those men as well and will say that i it was an honor to serve with them in Desert Storm. I didn't re-up for 1 major reason.. We are no longer land of the free and home of the brave.. Were turning into land of the bought out and home of the lower class fighting our battles for us. I love this country. I fought for it and i would have died for it. But what it's becoming isn't pure to me anymore. You dont know how hated we are till you leave the country. Obama didn't serve. I think all presidents should have too before getting to be the commander and chief. Romney is just as bad.. Romney lies just as fast and as bad.. Ron paul was rejected because he told the truth.. called things how they were and are. The main reason he didnt get the Nom was because of his foreign policy views.. In many ways i agree with Rp.. We need to fix home before policing the world. We have enough problems on our plate. On energy.. whatever you think man. Your right. I do risk my life. Gladly. remember that when your turn your lights on.. and think of the cousin i lost in Upper Big Branch.. I'm on a mine rescue team that was there.. and rejected entry when we offered help. Funny how people read the news and see what they wish.. I'm done. Sorry to anyone if i offended you.. Your right.. this should be closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
60Seconds Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 1st off.. i mean no disrespect. 2nd I dont care if Obama is purple.. Im no racist and the way you state that.. makes me sound as such.. Black,white,purple,blue,yellow makes no difference. 3RD.. As far as the towers. How come in South America a building burned for DAYS BEFORE IT FELL.. Airplane fuel doesn't burn for that long.. its explosive and burns fast.. But not hot as something like say diesel.. which burns crazy hot for a long period of time. If you understand math then you understand PHYSICS http://911u.org/Physics/ Bad site imo. BUT the math is correct. Look at pictures of the columns in 10000 different photos of the buildings.. all look perfectly cut. Several Universities throughout the U.S have done the same studies.. same results. Watch vids of buildings being "pulled" and see what a controlled fall looks like... then watch the towers. I know explosives well and have military demo experience. I hate to say something like that and i'll stop now on that issue.. But when institutions that teach kids on a daily basis " University's and Colleges" all come up with the same answers.. math and facts do not lie. Notice i called it a travesty. That should have never have happened. You mean to tell me that we have satellites in the n.s.a watching people of interest and they didnt see that coming? The united states Is waaaaaaaay ahead of its time.. I think it was something different and i have a right to my own opinion.. I agree with ^^^ I know a few of those men as well and will say that i it was an honor to serve with them in Desert Storm. I didn't re-up for 1 major reason.. We are no longer land of the free and home of the brave.. Were turning into land of the bought out and home of the lower class fighting our battles for us. I love this country. I fought for it and i would have died for it. But what it's becoming isn't pure to me anymore. You dont know how hated we are till you leave the country. Obama didn't serve. I think all presidents should have too before getting to be the commander and chief. Romney is just as bad.. Romney lies just as fast and as bad.. Ron paul was rejected because he told the truth.. called things how they were and are. The main reason he didnt get the Nom was because of his foreign policy views.. In many ways i agree with Rp.. We need to fix home before policing the world. We have enough problems on our plate. On energy.. whatever you think man. Your right. I do risk my life. Gladly. remember that when your turn your lights on.. and think of the cousin i lost in Upper Big Branch.. I'm on a mine rescue team that was there.. and rejected entry when we offered help. Funny how people read the news and see what they wish.. I'm done. Sorry to anyone if i offended you.. Your right.. this should be closed. Its all engineering, the Towers were built to endure the impact of a 707, not the bigger planes that hit the towers. So its simple engineering. I saw it happen, it wasn't a government plot. Why does Obama have to serve? Clinton didn't serve, he was an awesome president, George Bush Sr. served, didn't make him a better president. Obama didn't have to serve to get Bin Laden killed and to conclude a war did his dipshit predecessor started. Ron Paul got rejected because hes an old fool, and his son is even worse, not to mention that hes an Anti-Semite. I'd rather pay more to turn my lights on, and know that no one died trying to keep them on and that the environment is clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingless Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I'm worried that I'll catch fire when I smoke, said no military fueler ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipple Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 holy shit billy you are one of the most bigoted people i have ever met in my life lol. the quicker you realize both parties are feeding lies and hate the more you'll realize... jeezes dude. you sit here and yell about how one side is the only one saying lies and hating and stereotyping but you're too closed minded to realize you're doing the EXACT same thing. just WOW bro. re-read over the stuff you've said in this thread. Fact: both political parties suck Fact: both current nominees suck Fact: spewing your own hate and lies about other's hate and lies does nothing to help the situation OR try to get your POV across. Maybe stating some facts with research and proof(numbers) to back them up will allow you to get your point across. just lulz. politics and religion is what causes the most problems in society.. If you want to debate it then keep your bigotry out of your discussion and say your opinions and your facts without attacking the other person.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimzy Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 all of your comments are tl;dr to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazaHorse Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 politics and religion is what causes the most problems in society.. If you want to debate it then keep your bigotry out of your discussion and say your opinions and your facts without attacking the other person.. Except he didn't do that in any of his posts. lol... did you even read em? And no politics and religion do not cause most of the problems in society. I like to throw out grand over-arching statements too. Most of the problems in our society are caused by people. Not by the institutions those people create, just... the people. Blaming wide institutions (ones that society cannot exist without) for problems in a society is a cop-out to addressing actual problems that are caused once again by PEOPLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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