PoorStar_Nutbag Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Going to build a new PC in the next few months and will be buying a 980. should i buy the 8350 and save some money for an SSD or be an intel fanboy and buy the I7? Also need some suggestions on a power supply. is 800-900w enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRedPanda Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Your power supply is plenty big. Even if you want to SLI in the future you will be fine. If you care about airflow and how your rig looks in side, get a modular Power supply even if its less watts then a large capacity one you way be looking at. I personally prefer Intel CPU's because I feel like AMD tries to put as much power into their CPU's without as much optimization. You can always get an I5 if your main purpose for your rig is gaming instead of an I7 if you want to save money. I recommend using http://pcpartpicker.com to at least get all your parts organized and maybe even post your list here. It is also helpful to find where each part sells for the cheapest. I hope that helped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(Headband)(EG) Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 8350 gonna throttle that 980. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRedPanda Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 8350 gonna throttle that 980. The term is bottleneck I belive. Also, an 8350 would not bottleneck a 980 nor any other graphics cards. That isn't a problem unless you have a 5 year old graphics card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorStar_Nutbag Posted October 5, 2014 Author Share Posted October 5, 2014 Yeah i do not think that it will bottleneck with the 8350. That CPU has some pretty good performance for the price and the way i see it is. If the CPU ever fails then it will be only half as much to replace and 180$ vs 330$ is a pretty big difference for not too much performance it seems like. ill go ahead and give some more info. i have this case already (corsair c70white) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139014&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Computer+Cases-_-N82E16811139014&gclid=CjwKEAjw2MOhBRCq-Nr87_j-lDASJAAl4FNhP6WiyskDhM1ZmTfgUdHexFthLhOw04FuTYu1FqlDAxoCsNnw_wcB This is a computer with a big window and i am building it with the looks in mind. I like how the EVGA 980 uses the same body as the GTX titan, that thing looks awesome!. I got about 6 purple LED fans as well as the corsair H100i. pros and cons of using a modular power supply? Also is it super expensive the use colored cables from the power supply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRedPanda Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Yeah i do not think that it will bottleneck with the 8350. That CPU has some pretty good performance for the price and the way i see it is. If the CPU ever fails then it will be only half as much to replace and 180$ vs 330$ is a pretty big difference for not too much performance it seems like. ill go ahead and give some more info. i have this case already (corsair c70white) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139014&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Computer+Cases-_-N82E16811139014&gclid=CjwKEAjw2MOhBRCq-Nr87_j-lDASJAAl4FNhP6WiyskDhM1ZmTfgUdHexFthLhOw04FuTYu1FqlDAxoCsNnw_wcB This is a computer with a big window and i am building it with the looks in mind. I like how the EVGA 980 uses the same body as the GTX titan, that thing looks awesome!. I got about 6 purple LED fans as well as the corsair H100i. pros and cons of using a modular power supply? Also is it super expensive the use colored cables from the power supply? Pros and Cons of Modular Power Supplies: Pros: Tends to have more plugs for extra storage or graphics cards. You only plug in the cables you need so extra ones aren't lying around St the bottom of your case attached to the PSU because they are non modular. You can replace cables if they get broken. Con: More expensive Also, there are semi-modular power supplies which only have all the necessary cables for your PC to actually turn on attached to it, and all the extra storage ones and graphics cards ones Modular. They are usually a little bit cheaper than fully Modular ones. I haven't really looked into colored Modular PSU cables. I know a lot of people actually re-sleve them their selves. I have all black cables which doesn't ruin the look of my case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Short Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 The term is bottleneck I belive. Also, an 8350 would not bottleneck a 980 nor any other graphics cards. That isn't a problem unless you have a 5 year old graphics card. He will get a cpu bottleneck unless hes overclocked to at least 4.6 GHz and even that might not be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorStar_Nutbag Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnPrePared_ Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) Why is that? Doesn't work like that.You can't just buy for example a $100 cpu and a $1000 GPU and vice versa. It will cause a bottleneck. It's recommended that you buy a cpu and gpu for the same price > $300 cpu & $300 gpu for example. But it's not necessary cuz you can overclock and shit but then you need to give more money on your fans/water cooling. Edited October 6, 2014 by UnPrePared_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranHorse Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Doesn't work like that. You can't just buy for example a $100 cpu and a $1000 GPU and vice versa. It will cause a bottleneck. It's recommended that you buy a cpu and gpu for the same price > $300 cpu & $300 gpu for example. But it's not necessary cuz you can overclock and shit but then you need to give more money on your fans/water cooling. ......... Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeman Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I like AMD. great processors if you are on a budget. HOWEVER, 4th gen i7s and even some i5s completely obliterate 90% of AMD processors in terms of single thread ratings which is what games typically use. https://www.cpubench...ht-Core&id=1780 as compared to https://www.cpubench...4.00GHz&id=2275 the single thread rating for the intel is almost double the AMD and the intel uses less power too. I couldn't say if the 8350 will bottleneck the GPU since its not something I can test but if I would have to take a guess I would say yes simply because the single threading on it isn't that great 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorStar_Nutbag Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 I guess im going to go with I7 and 980 combo. any motherboard suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRedPanda Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I guess im going to go with I7 and 980 combo. any motherboard suggestions? What price are you looking at? This is my motherboard and I love it. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z97g55sli Great BIOS, easy to install into the case and it looks good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorStar_Nutbag Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 100-200 would be my range on the board. What would be the difference between your board and one that cost is a little more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnPrePared_ Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 100-200 would be my range on the board. What would be the difference between your board and one that cost is a little more? Really depends on what you wanna do with your PC.. You don't need a high end motherboard if you are not planning on overclocking and such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRedPanda Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 100-200 would be my range on the board. What would be the difference between your board and one that cost is a little more? Really it's just more optimized for OC, more ports, maybe slightly more high end build materials and it might also squeeze in another Pcie x16 if you want to run 3 or 4 graphics cards. Like UnPrePared said, you don't need a extremely high end motherboard unless you want to do go crazy over clocking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorStar_Nutbag Posted October 9, 2014 Author Share Posted October 9, 2014 Might want to do some overclocking in the future, doubt it will ever see SLI but i for sure do not need room for 3 or 4 GPU's. So many options i just have no idea where to start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRedPanda Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Might want to do some overclocking in the future, doubt it will ever see SLI but i for sure do not need room for 3 or 4 GPU's. So many options i just have no idea where to start I over clock a lot with that motherboard. If you look at MSI's Bios, it even has a whole section dedicated to it. I'm not saying it's bad at OC at all, it's just other enthusiast motherboards have more features (most of which no one ever uses.) Don't spend more money on a motherboard just to feel like it's higher end than one that is less expensive. It would be super helpful if you get all your parts together on pcpartpicker.com and post the link here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theGerryC Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 With a good cooler, an 8350 will not bottleneck a 980. Most of the people in this sub-forum make fantasy builds and truly know nothing about PC hardware. Even at stock speeds, a 8350 can utilize not just one but two GTX 980s in SLI with barely any difference between it and an i7. Check the graph below. The specs for their bench PCs are here: http://www.tweaktown.com/tweakipedia/55/amd-fx-8350-powering-gtx-780-sli-vs-gtx-980-sli-at-2560x1440/index.html If an old Phenon ii processor with a decent cooler can ride on the back of a 780 Ti, then a 8350 can surely power one 980. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRedPanda Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 With a good cooler, an 8350 will not bottleneck a 980. Most of the people in this sub-forum make fantasy builds and truly know nothing about PC hardware. I've been trying to say that. Don't even think of the idea of bottle necking. Both the 980 and 8350 are high end and in no way will the 8350 be holding back the 980 and the performance it can give. The only FPS difference you will see is simply from how the game utilizes that specific processor and how the manufacture optimized it. The AMD vs Intel goes back to what applications you are using. If you are mostly gaming, the I7 has the best single thread performance. If the applications you will mostly use like games are single threaded, Intel optimization per thread is what you will probably want. This is the major reason for slightly better premofrmance of Intel chippers. If you do a lot of rendering and use applications that rely on multiple threads, AMD tends to bring better performance in that category. That is really what it truly boils down to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Hicks Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 When I was building my PC, I would read r/buildapc on reddit to get help. Especially reading others' posts on their pc builds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnPrePared_ Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 When I was building my PC, I would read r/buildapc on reddit to get help. Especially reading others' posts on their pc builds. Yeah but everybody with a little bit of logic they know they need to read a lot before they make a custom pc build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Short Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) If an old Phenon ii processor with a decent cooler can ride on the back of a 780 Ti Sorry my bullshit alarm went off, I would love to see your gpu usage in a 64 player bf4 server or any game with large open areas with many players. Edited October 16, 2014 by Short 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theGerryC Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) Sorry my bullshit alarm went off, I would love to see your gpu usage in a 64 player bf4 server or any game with large open areas with many players. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUBWh06asg8 Not the exact specs that we were considered, but close-ish: Phenom x4 965 BE 3.4GhzCorsair Dominator GT (Airflow) 2x4gb 1866Mhz Asus Formula V Zotac GTX 780 Amp! 3gb SSD Sandisk Extreme 120gb Sentey 1000 watts Gold Plus Win 8.1 pro The point however has went your head. My claims in this case were that a Phenom ii would not bottleneck 780 ti. I can prove objectively that it will not. Will playing BF4 using a Phenom ii be enjoyable? Probably not, but you would be getting every bit of power that a 780 ti provides. Plus, why would your CPU usage go hand-in-hand with your GPU usage? The two things (unless told to do otherwise) crunch two totally different sets of numbers. I have no issue believing that CPU usage for the processor in above video is high, but what does that matter if it is cooled effectively? Edited October 16, 2014 by theGerryC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Short Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) but you would be getting every bit of power that a 780 ti provides No, that's not how it works, if the cpu can't feed the gpu fast enough all that sweet extra power is wasted. why would your CPU usage go hand-in-hand with your GPU usage Frostbyte is extremely optimised, if your gpu is not at 90-99% something is getting bottlenecked. The video shows nothing useful to me bf4 is not hard to run at 60 fps, he even gets drops to 50 at points when stuff actually happens on screen. Edit: OP as people have said you should be fine in most relatively new games, but it's still something to think about. As to Gerry don't going spewing nonsense about an outdated cpu that is not even comparable to an 8350. Edited October 16, 2014 by Short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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