A Question For People Who Play Jb

[RedDevil6193]

I will delete this thread once i m done.

 

 

Question is there is no lead and a ct is in hurdles not stuck but doing hurdles, where he cant see any ts, all the ts are in general area near big cage and cell.

 

So is that ct camping b4 last?

 

 

Edit: Retard posts will be deleted

[Archer]

I think that is camping b4 last because he/she can't see any T's.

[youthedog]

no, if there's a decent amount of t's it shouldn't matter

[RedDevil6193]

no, if there's a decent amount of t's it shouldn't matter

 

 

So you saying 3 cts and 10 ts and cts should camp b4 last?>

[youthedog]

So you saying 3 cts and 10 ts and cts should camp b4 last?>

Well decent amount of CT's too, like if there's 15+ t's and 7+ cts, it should be fine

[RedDevil6193]

Well decent amount of CT's too, like if there's 15+ t's and 7+ cts, it should be fine

 

No its not fine, camping b4 last is camping b4 last.

 

Glad i made this thread people really dont know anything

[Nite]

1. Why is he in hurdles in the first place?

 

2. He should announce himself he has trouble getting out before he is considered last ct.

[Suicide]

Well decent amount of CT's too, like if there's 15+ t's and 7+ cts, it should be fine

 

We can't exceptions to rules where it'll only be if a certain amount of CT's then a CT can camp before last, just doesn't work that way. If there is a rule in place, then it'll be for any ratio.

 

As per the OP, seems like camping before last too me, if they wanna do obstacle tell them to go play minigames.

[xafizzle]

Unless he says he's in hurdles, it's camping before last. Anything that makes it easier for him to make it to last guard before other CTs is camping before last imo

[DeathShot]

If they're not in sight/general area I consider it as camping before last/being a damn useless CT.

[ViridionPlague]

Other way around. Nice try.

 

so if a T runs off on a freeday and cant see a CT he will be slayed? ill keep that in mind next time it happens.

[(Headband)(EG)]

He can get out of hurdles. Just jump into the laser. Or if he can use the vent.

 

But beside that. Its camping before last

[Cookie]

if it's a freeday I see no reason why a ct can't also have a freeday doing obs/hurdles as long as they're actually doing it and not camping...

[Nipple]

if it's a freeday I see no reason why a ct can't also have a freeday doing obs/hurdles as long as they're actually doing it and not camping...

 

exactly this.

This was the exact situation. There was no lead, T's were all over the map rebelling, so i went into hurdles and was doing hurdles until i died, but instead i was slayed. If you're in hurdles doing hurdles you are easily visible by any passing T in obstacle. (or even from soccer/blue room, and actually even from top of infirm if the garage doors are open). The fact is the day was unsalvageable. either i was going to stand around in the middle of the JB map and die in 5 seconds, or i could go into hurdles and jump around for ~20seconds until a passing T found me and shot me. it is nothing like camping in a small, secluded area where T's have to look really hard to find you OR you have an advantage in being able to see or shoot the T's first. IF anything, if gives me a severe disadvantage to be able to fight back. The "no camping before last rule" is in place to prevent CT's from hiding just to be able to try to kill massive amounts of t's for fun.

 

This is simply the case of an admin being angry at his death and wanting the round to be over ASAP so he can play again, so feeling as if he's more entitled than others he quickly runs to the !slay command to make himself feel better. Not to mention, after confronting said admin on his inappropriate slay, his precise reply was "go cry on forums" REAL PROFESSIONAL.

Quite frankly it's severely disappointing. I have a demo of the round if anyone would like to see it and by no means was I anywhere near camping or trying to give myself the advantage of last guard to kill T's. Simple as that.

 

for all this "oh if you can't see the t's or you're not helping" only applies to if there is a current lead (or someone trying to be lead), otherwise its completely pointless and will just cause people to freekill. I've seen it. Your "absolutes" in your opinions is quite fanatical. If T's are going into blue room into obstacle, for example, CT's are allowed to run through the fountain area to obstacle, you can't see any t's when you're over there. that must be camping before last by your statements. Ct's are allowed to go back into armory or infirm (to get new weapons/heal).. You cant see T's then and also you're technically not helping the lead at that point. so that must be camping before last?

 

No its not fine, camping b4 last is camping b4 last.

 

Glad i made this thread people really dont know anything

 

REALLY, buddy. You need to get off your high horse. you're absolutely ridiculous. I'm disgusted by your immature attitude and approach to this situation. It's very disappointing.

 

edit: and i honestly hope this thread isnt locked/deleted just yet or my post out of their own emotional reaction. As you can see, i did not post an "abuse report" even when i have a demo of it because i talked to a few people about it and some share my opinions but others don't, so i just dropped it as it was just a slay. but now i see someone else thinks they are the master of all and they think they are always right and their rule is final. this needs to be checked into, it's quite a pathetic situation.

Edited January 26, 2013 by Nipple

[ExGBrian]

You need to be able to see T's as a CT, that's your job even though their isn't a lead. Hurdles isn't really a general area therefore its considered camping before last.

[Nipple]

Can we just delete this thread? Just turning into an argument thread it seems.

argument? more like i just posted the exact situation and my opinion, laz and the other dude are just brushing egos. i'd like to hear some other real opinions and points/counterpoints to my opinion given, thank you.

[DeathShot]

argument? more like i just posted the exact situation and my opinion, laz and the other dude are just brushing egos. i'd like to hear some other real opinions and points/counterpoints to my opinion given, thank you.

 

And by doing so, you insulted a dL and basically wrote a long complaint. Even if there isn't a lead, that doesn't mean you should run off and ignore the fact that you're a CT and should be watching the T's and contributing to the team.

[hankhill]

Nipple is spot on, no admin whatsoever should slay someone becuase he has to wait 30 seconds for the round to end.

[Nipple]

And by doing so, you insulted a dL and basically wrote a long complaint. Even if there isn't a lead, that doesn't mean you should run off and ignore the fact that you're a CT and should be watching the T's and contributing to the team.

i didn't insult anyone, saying you're "disgusted or disappointed" in the way someone else acts in a situation is not an insult, and him being a dL should mean nothing, we are all HG members and all our opinions/input should matter. IF anything, he posed himself as the all-knowing master of opinion and what he says goes which is not the case, so i commented on that. Did you even read what i said? the day was completely unsalvagable and there were a bunch of t's all over the map rebelling. "contributing to the team", funny, as whenever i lead more often than not i get us to LR and as a CT i have the highest K/D ratio (meaning i do my job at killing rebellers and helping the day succeed). 4cts left with 20 t's all over the map, theres no point to try anything and i was bored and jumped into tbox to just run from lasers for 20-30seconds until i was shot. ive seen many other people do the same thing, admins or not and NO ONE has ever had an issue with it. it just seems as when one admin comes on his iron first rules over all and ruins the mood for everyone.

 

edit: not to mention, this needs to be addressed now, instead of just surpressing it because someone doesn't like it, because it'll just blow up in someone's face again at a later date if its not taken care of.

Edited January 26, 2013 by Nipple

[LazaHorse]

if i make ts touch and look at a wall and i'm standing behind them, that's breaking the rules right? K. Also, why call him out on strawman when you are clearly cherry picking?

You and I are arguing the same point. Did you... read the posts? He states CTs have to be in view of Ts. That's not the rule, and your case proved it just as well as mine. The rule IS that Ts have to be in the view of CTs, as I said before. Why are you even here?

 

congratulations and saying the same thing i did and attempting to justify it with an invalid point.

 

"CTs must be able to see Ts"

"All CT's must be in view of T's all all times before last guard."

 

both say the same thing. and both technically break the rules at round start. both scenarios assume that all T's are in cells. your argument is invalid.

 

Respect your elders boy, im older than you...

CTs must be in view of Ts and CTs must be able to see Ts are opposite of each other and very different. The effort is in the hands of the CTs to be able to see Ts and MOVE THEMSELVES if they can't, not the other way around. Either you are simply misunderstanding your own use of English, or you have a serious misunderstanding of the rules on the server. I do love that an "elder" can say "your argument is invalid" without disproving its validity at all. Good work... i guess?

[ViridionPlague]

CTs must be in view of Ts and CTs must be able to see Ts are opposite of each other and very different. The effort is in the hands of the CTs to be able to see Ts and MOVE THEMSELVES if they can't, not the other way around. Either you are simply misunderstanding your own use of English, or you have a serious misunderstanding of the rules on the server. I do love that an "elder" can say "your argument is invalid" without disproving its validity at all. Good work... i guess?

 

being that the point of camping it to hide and remove yourself as a target..

 

"CTs must be able to see Ts" ----- implies that you may hide/camp behind a vent or 1-way glass to maintain view of a T while the T cannot see you

"All CT's must be in view of T's all all times before last guard."---- implies that you must be in clear view of the T's and be a presentable target.

 

your argument about round start was the invalid argument, in fact is is directly contradictory to your original statment. in both situations line of sight is not maintained and the CT must move. the part about the T's being in cells is also irrelevant/invalid to the main statement in either situation.

 

and if you really wanna nitpick both statements are invalid as....

 

"CTs must be able to see Ts" --- any time a CT is not looking at a T they would be breaking the rules

"All CT's must be in view of T's all all times before last guard." ---- CT's must be standing wherever the T's are told to face at any givin time. eg. inside the deagle cage or inside shot 4 shot.

[Sirius]

So is that ct camping b4 last?

 

Yes.

[LazaHorse]

being that the point of camping it to hide and remove yourself as a target..

 

"CTs must be able to see Ts" ----- implies that you may hide/camp behind a vent or 1-way glass to maintain view of a T while the T cannot see you

"All CT's must be in view of T's all all times before last guard."---- implies that you must be in clear view of the T's and be a presentable target.

 

your argument about round start was the invalid argument, in fact is is directly contradictory to your original statment. in both situations line of sight is not maintained and the CT must move. the part about the T's being in cells is also irrelevant/invalid to the main statement in either situation.

 

and if you really wanna nitpick both statements are invalid as....

 

"CTs must be able to see Ts" --- any time a CT is not looking at a T they would be breaking the rules

"All CT's must be in view of T's all all times before last guard." ---- CT's must be standing wherever the T's are told to face at any givin time. eg. inside the deagle cage or inside shot 4 shot.

Actually the reason we restrict camping has nothing to do with whether or not a T has a chance to rebel and attack them. In fact, as a T you'd probably WANT all the CTs to be off not watching you. We restrict it because when CTs aren't spending their time watching Ts, they make the game difficult and take up spots that willing CTs could be using. Your definition of camping, which seems to be your main premise for this argument, is wrong. While it would be likely true for any other game mode, it is not the case for jailbreak.

 

SINCE the goal of camping in jailbreak is less about survival and more about just goofing off, the burden of maintaining proximity between Ts and CTs is placed on the CT. Ts don't need to be able to see you. If T's are in pool showers and you are on the balcony above them, no one would fault you as camping before last. Knowing where they are and being in a position to respond in case things go awry is the focus here, not maintaining literal eye contact for no reason at all (and yes that is me strawmanning you, though your argument isn't that much more complicated).

 

I did enjoy that you equated "must be able to see Ts" with "must be seeing Ts". Jokes jajajajaja

 

CTs must be "able to see" Ts at all times. Thus if they rebel, the CTs are in position to defeat them.

 

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[mccaincracker]

Hey guys, your posts were deleted for a reason so fucking cut it out. It's jailbreak, if someone camping before last slay them. Don't get butt hurt over every little fucking thing that happens in jailbreak. You can't put a definition on something like this easily because there's too many scenarios that can occur

[RedDevil6193]

if it's a freeday I see no reason why a ct can't also have a freeday doing obs/hurdles as long as they're actually doing it and not camping...

 

 

 

Rules dont say cts can have freeday bud, so unless you can see a t or you are chasing a t or looking for one you are camping b4 last.

 

 

exactly this.

This was the exact situation. There was no lead, T's were all over the map rebelling, so i went into hurdles and was doing hurdles until i died, but instead i was slayed. If you're in hurdles doing hurdles you are easily visible by any passing T in obstacle. (or even from soccer/blue room, and actually even from top of infirm if the garage doors are open). The fact is the day was unsalvageable. either i was going to stand around in the middle of the JB map and die in 5 seconds, or i could go into hurdles and jump around for ~20seconds until a passing T found me and shot me. it is nothing like camping in a small, secluded area where T's have to look really hard to find you OR you have an advantage in being able to see or shoot the T's first. IF anything, if gives me a severe disadvantage to be able to fight back. The "no camping before last rule" is in place to prevent CT's from hiding just to be able to try to kill massive amounts of t's for fun.

 

This is simply the case of an admin being angry at his death and wanting the round to be over ASAP so he can play again, so feeling as if he's more entitled than others he quickly runs to the !slay command to make himself feel better. Not to mention, after confronting said admin on his inappropriate slay, his precise reply was "go cry on forums" REAL PROFESSIONAL.

Quite frankly it's severely disappointing. I have a demo of the round if anyone would like to see it and by no means was I anywhere near camping or trying to give myself the advantage of last guard to kill T's. Simple as that.

 

for all this "oh if you can't see the t's or you're not helping" only applies to if there is a current lead (or someone trying to be lead), otherwise its completely pointless and will just cause people to freekill. I've seen it. Your "absolutes" in your opinions is quite fanatical. If T's are going into blue room into obstacle, for example, CT's are allowed to run through the fountain area to obstacle, you can't see any t's when you're over there. that must be camping before last by your statements. Ct's are allowed to go back into armory or infirm (to get new weapons/heal).. You cant see T's then and also you're technically not helping the lead at that point. so that must be camping before last?

 

 

 

REALLY, buddy. You need to get off your high horse. you're absolutely ridiculous. I'm disgusted by your immature attitude and approach to this situation. It's very disappointing.

 

edit: and i honestly hope this thread isnt locked/deleted just yet or my post out of their own emotional reaction. As you can see, i did not post an "abuse report" even when i have a demo of it because i talked to a few people about it and some share my opinions but others don't, so i just dropped it as it was just a slay. but now i see someone else thinks they are the master of all and they think they are always right and their rule is final. this needs to be checked into, it's quite a pathetic situation.

 

All you had to do was to watch a t, while you were not chasing anyone, you were just doing hurdles, when you shouldnt do that.

 

When i slayed you, you went and said really wtf.Thats why i said go cry on forums, then you said you dont have to be a dick about it, well sorry for being a dick, but i thought you knew better when you didnt.

 

 

argument? more like i just posted the exact situation and my opinion, laz and the other dude are just brushing egos. i'd like to hear some other real opinions and points/counterpoints to my opinion given, thank you.

 

This aint for disc. I just wanted to clear things so next time i slay someone they wont get mad because they got slayed.

 

 

Nipple is spot on, no admin whatsoever should slay someone becuase he has to wait 30 seconds for the round to end.

 

K sir, read what i said above, doing your shit while no lead and cant see ts is camping b4 last.

 

 

i didn't insult anyone, saying you're "disgusted or disappointed" in the way someone else acts in a situation is not an insult, and him being a dL should mean nothing, we are all HG members and all our opinions/input should matter. IF anything, he posed himself as the all-knowing master of opinion and what he says goes which is not the case, so i commented on that. Did you even read what i said? the day was completely unsalvagable and there were a bunch of t's all over the map rebelling. "contributing to the team", funny, as whenever i lead more often than not i get us to LR and as a CT i have the highest K/D ratio (meaning i do my job at killing rebellers and helping the day succeed). 4cts left with 20 t's all over the map, theres no point to try anything and i was bored and jumped into tbox to just run from lasers for 20-30seconds until i was shot. ive seen many other people do the same thing, admins or not and NO ONE has ever had an issue with it. it just seems as when one admin comes on his iron first rules over all and ruins the mood for everyone.

 

edit: not to mention, this needs to be addressed now, instead of just surpressing it because someone doesn't like it, because it'll just blow up in someone's face again at a later date if its not taken care of.

 

 

You dont have to disgusted or disspointed, you just had to follow rules and you didnt, rules are there to follow not for twitch them to make your self in clear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope i made this thing clear to all who were trying to make it so they wont say hey wtf or hey why i got slayed.