Misc2008 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Hi First of all, this is meant to be a constructive post to get discussion going and not a moan. k? The ban system on the surface appears to do its job. However when you get to things like banned IP addresses and people with forbidden names it's less clear what is going on. There is for example, no list of banned IP addresses that I am aware of, nor any way of challenging said IP ban through the bans system. Also, where is the list of forbidden player names? I realise that a player can challenge a ban as these show up in the public ban system but even still, people should be able to check, in advance, before choosing a forbidden name that could get them banned... forever. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDevil6193 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) The ban system on the surface appears to do its job. However when you get to things like banned IP addresses and people with forbidden names it's less clear what is going on. There is for example, no list of banned IP addresses that I am aware of, nor any way of challenging said IP ban through the bans system. We only ip ban people who are malicious, which we dont need to let you know why. If their steam id is banned the reason would be there. Also, where is the list of forbidden player names? I realise that a player can challenge a ban as these show up in the public ban system but even still, people should be able to check, in advance, before choosing a forbidden name that could get them banned... forever. They can come here and ask unban. Also you can search https://hellsgamers.com/hgbans.php?sf=bname&so=contains&st=i+am+the+la Edited February 6, 2014 by RedDevil6193 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misc2008 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 Well, that seems to have exterminated any discussion then. I was hoping for something more positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDevil6193 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Also ips are kind of personal information, thats shouldn't be public anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajolt Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Ip's aren't public because if you put someone's IP out there then anyone who has malicious intent can do all different kinds of things with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misc2008 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 I guess someone could, in theory ddos a listed IP for amusement value. Perhaps instead an IP search so that people could lookup their IP - they wouldn't even need to type it in, since the web server already has that info. Assuming that the IP isn't banned from accessing the web server too that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathShot Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Perhaps instead an IP search so that people could lookup their IP I've failed to see any reason to need this feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misc2008 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 I've failed to see any reason to need this feature. The whole idea of hidden bans is shady at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathShot Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 The whole idea of hidden bans is shady at best. Why do you need to see IP bans? We only IP ban for being malicious and harmful to the community, and personally, I don't see why every single person in HG needs to know every single ban that goes on within the community. What you call shady is necessary since obviously, people won't treat everyone's IPs so nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misc2008 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 Why do you need to see IP bans? We only IP ban for being malicious and harmful to the community, and personally, I don't see why every single person in HG needs to know every single ban that goes on within the community. What you call shady is necessary since obviously, people won't treat everyone's IPs so nicely. No offence but did you read my post above about searching for an IP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajolt Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 We will not publish IP bans because of the risks associated with it. We do it to protect the players of our servers and it's not shady of all to protect you from getting tracked or ddosed. What is shady is when people do want to be able to see IP bans so badly If you really need to know if someone is IP banned or something of the sort (no idea why you would), then you can contact someone who is able to see that. That way, the IP is not publically being given out and we can protect everyone's privacy while you'd still get the information you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misc2008 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) I only meant that people who are IP banned from playing on HG servers, should be able to find their ban information and be able to challenge it. I find it bizarre that you object to this as it is a basic concept of fairness. I do NOT however mean that the complete list should be available. EDIT: btw, you do know that IP addresses are not always static yes? Edited February 6, 2014 by Misc2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajolt Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 That would be basically impossible to program. And besides, if you're IP banned, you have pretty much no chance of coming back. If you did need to see that info, to contest a ban or something, not only would there be a steamid ban up where you could find your ban and contest on hgbans, but you could also find uM who could see the details and all the information about your IP ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misc2008 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) I'm very disappointed in how this conversation has developed. Ah well, it'll be deleted within 24 hours I imagine. Edited February 6, 2014 by Misc2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Short Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 By that logic we should have a list of everyone's full names and addresses or else that would be "shady". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misc2008 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 By that logic we should have a list of everyone's full names and addresses or else that would be "shady". Err, you do for billing purposes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Short Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Err, you do for billing purposes Yes, but it's not posted publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misc2008 Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 Yes, but it's not posted publicly. I didn't say it should be. Oh I see what you did there, very humorous indeed. Someone just lock the thread please as this is clearly pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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