blazedd Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) This isn't targeting any one specific player or group of players. This is just a mention of how the !fire system ingame is being abused. Especially with a smaller number of players the T's are able to force a freeday by using !fire each round. Sure they will run out of rep at some point, but many players have several thousand and even are giving rep to help the other players to use !fire. Before someone comes in and says something like "You are just mad because you were fired": I rarely leed and was not a victim of this. I actually was bored because I was tired of playing freeday after freeday. If I wanted to play 10 v 20 find another way of doing this. The way !fire currently works is game breaking and made several people, including myself ragequit. More so than changing the way !fire uses. I am suggesting that it should be admin enforce-able to prevent this type of behavior. I'm not demanding any changes, just stating that it's breaking gameplay and stating my grievance in hopes that others state how they feel or bring up a better suggestion. Edited September 4, 2013 by blazedd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I'm pretty sure there isnt any rule against !fire leads, only promoting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazedd Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 Math, right. I'm making this post to see if anyone else has this same grievance as it is currently not a rule, but I am suggesting it become one due to rampant abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delink Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I'm pretty sure there isnt any rule against !fire leads, only promoting. Dis and think theres a fix for it. When someones fires it just start rolling like a snowball... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJK Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 sure there can be a better way but its easy to start bannign if peopel spam fire or promote it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xafizzle Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) I gotta say I don't understand how it's "easy to ban" for situations like this. It's different than promoting. Taking away the indicator for the number of votes needed to fire helped a whole lot but that snowball effect still happens. There's not a lot to do besides indicate when someone fires a lead which would be just too far. It's just one of those things that I think has to be tolerated. Admins can't tell if someone is giving someone else rep to fire. And if you type !fire every round, you end up losing a lot of rep. After 7 or 8 rounds you lose 100 rep and it keeps growing. What they choose to do with their rep should be their choice. This goes back to CTs "abusing" !buy menu to buy a ton of health and speed. Sure, it makes it impossible to rebel. But if a CT wants to spend 1k rep for one day, then it's his choice. Edited September 4, 2013 by xafizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizon Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) sure there can be a better way but its easy to start bannign if peopel spam fire or promote it inb4 CTU again lol. !fire is and always will be a nusinace to us all. People will always spam it regardless because it's the interent and if they do not like you they will attempt to fire you. If obvious abuse of !fire is used. Record/Screenshot, post report if needed. Blazzed I know you know this. There's no real rule for it but it's frowded upon if people abuse it. Find the nearest CS:S/CS:GO Div Adv depending on which JB server. Edited September 4, 2013 by Rizon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factions Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Fire really burns thru the rep I use to lead and get fired day after day soon when it cost 100 rep they stopped it only took 20 rounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persianskillzz Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 but its easy to start bannign if peopel spam fire or promote it i had no idea u can do that...i mean can u? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 The only fix i would recommend is taking the announcement away completely. Ts/cts get the thrill out of firing a lead just to ruin a day. Taking away the announcement would quickly stop this game, and obviously if a ct is being a terrible lead or derping then the ts/cts could rack up enough votes without seeing it in the chat box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDevil6193 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Doesnt it get boring ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingpolo Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 The only fix i would recommend is taking the announcement away completely. Ts/cts get the thrill out of firing a lead just to ruin a day. Taking away the announcement would quickly stop this game, and obviously if a ct is being a terrible lead or derping then the ts/cts could rack up enough votes without seeing it in the chat box. Unfortunately, if they took the announcements out, expect people to be promoting fire like crazy. It'd get too hectic I think. Let's say someone fires, no announcement shows, then they continue to promote fire. Yes they get punished for it, but then we'd be punishing a lot of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factions Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Doesnt it get boring ? Would you get bored of decided someones fate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDevil6193 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Would you get bored of decided someones fate? I dont get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Factions Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I dont get it. You can !fire someone and they will die from it eventually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am the Finisher Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 this post was because of me this morning i kept getting fired 10 times in a row every other round lol i assume if someone fires somebody every single round, its technically not promoting right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(Headband)(EG) Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 inb4 CTU again lol. May These Great Champions Rise Again one day to save the JB community from the Evil Terrorist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comic King Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Maybe theres another solution... When you call a warday two times in a row, you need to face a few round's cooldwon, right? How 'bout there gets to be a !fire cooldown. If theres a derp lead during the cooldown, no worries, you can always rebel right? They're derps, they won't even notice you sneaking away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCII Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Posted 8 minutes ago Rizon, on September 3 2013 - 07:02 PM, said: inb4 CTU again lol. (Headband)(EG), on September 4 2013 - 06:21 AM, said: May These Great Champions Rise Again one day to save the JB community from the Evil Terrorist ill do a song called CTU Back like joell ortiz'z big puns back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazedd Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 I actually think there was some pretty good solutions here. The announcement that a fire was issued in itself often promotes firing someone. If a lead is truly awful the !fire command should be able to do it's job without people needing to know how many have done it or how many is needed. Knowing the numbers only allows you to follow the crowd or strong-arm the situation over the lead. For example yesterday when finisher was getting fired round after round he started issuing the same commands for the T's to follow. I then asked him if he was going to do the same thing this round. After he said yes I used !fire as I knew I was the last T needed to use !fire. Perhaps another solution would be raise the count needed for the fire and made CT votes worth 2 points for the fire (a truly derp lead will have no CT support either). Thanks rizon. I wasn't sure if this was something an admin could stop as there was a couple server admins and HG members and I assumed someone would have addressed it if possible. The next logical step was to come to the forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizon Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) May These Great Champions Rise Again one day to save the JB community from the Evil Terrorist True Story. btw where the hell is joemothafuckingyoung? Posted 8 minutes ago Rizon, on September 3 2013 - 07:02 PM, said: inb4 CTU again lol. (Headband)(EG), on September 4 2013 - 06:21 AM, said: May These Great Champions Rise Again one day to save the JB community from the Evil Terrorist ill do a song called CTU Back like joell ortiz'z big puns back You won't mate. no balls. xD Thanks rizon. I wasn't sure if this was something an admin could stop as there was a couple server admins and HG members and I assumed someone would have addressed it if possible. The next logical step was to come to the forums. I feel ya blazzed at first when it became an issue I didn't know where to turn either. JJK lead me in the right direction and now sharing the knowledge... ya know Edited September 4, 2013 by Rizon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(Headband)(EG) Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 True Story. btw where the hell is joemothafuckingyoung? Still wearing that god damn hat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizon Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Still wearing that god damn hat You know it rofl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Council imasonaz Posted September 4, 2013 Executive Council Share Posted September 4, 2013 I believe !fire does its job well. If all the CT's are terrible leads, then they deserve to be fired 20 rounds in a row. Maybe they should consider switching teams for a while, I'd even bet there are a few T's in the queue that might take the lead. I don't think that turning off the announcements will benefit anyone. Along with that, the amount still needed to fire someone is only shown to the person who did the firing, and therefore helps indirect promoting. If the fire announcement were to be removed, it would have be be OK to inform new players what !fire does, which is usually seen as promoting right now. Ie, someone is complaining about the lead, to shut them up/help them, you let them know that they can !fire the lead. I see no problem with this case either way, but have seen people call it promoting instead of informing. TL;DR: Leave it alone, get better leads, play T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delink Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 its technically not promoting right? No. Promoting is saying like "fire him" ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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