Biohazard Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Can we make the health card +4 and not +2 per upgrade? I feel like +2 is a bit too little and +3 was kinda close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowyamur Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Setting the Health card upgrade boost to +2 health/ level is fair for the zombies to deal with because it gives them a fair chance to kill humans. Increasing it to +4 health/ level would be broken such that it would be slightly harder for zombies to kill humans when they have +20 health from cards alone at level 5, not to mention that some players are around levels 8-10 for Health, increasing their maximum health up to 120, and traits like Fit and Tough exist to increase health by 35-40 points combined alone. There's a reason the Health card upgrade was nerfed from 3 to 2 health points/ level, and that's because zombies couldn't kill humans easily; even when they get themselves caught out, they still don't die because the extra health saves them, which is frustrating for zombie players. I don't see the real reason you want this change aside from making playing zombie more frustrating when it comes to killing humans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkDevilRo3 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Wanna kill humans easily? pick nightmare or tickle mare since they deal a fuck load of dmg and also defense debuffs ez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth26 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 My two cents on this issue is that the cards help counter the insane damage some zombies (like nightmare and tickelmare) do. Every ounce of survivability increases the chance I can survive an encounter where I normally would have been insta-gibbed. "Frustrating for zombie players", in my opinion, isn't a valid reason to nerf health cards into the ground. Humans have to invest both a lot of time and points (and RNG) to get and upgrade the health card, and having it nerfed every patch just gives me a sort of buyer's remorse for investing into it. And early waves zombies can just go ghoul and instantly rape any human runner's chance of surviving that encounter, no matter their HP. 5HP/lvl was very powerful I agree. 3HP/lvl was alright, a bit on the low end but acceptable. 2HP/lvl is nearing joke levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bill Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I say make them 3HP/level again, it seemed fair back then for both sides, but now just like Jareth said 2HP/level is nearing joke levels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welchnome Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 would you like to be a zombie and have to deal over 200 damage to ALL humans with all health perks? Not I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bill Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 @welchnome We are asking it to be 3 health / level again not 5 health / level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F00L Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 @Old Bill thats what he means, with 3hp a level health and with all the health boost traits you will have a total of 200 hp if I'm correct. That is way too overpowered, humans should not have double the health in the first place. I support this change on the 2hp card instead of 3 even tho I haven't played much or even seen it in action, but it sure as hell sounds balanced. Just stop whining and be happy that you can get health upgrades in the first place. That goes for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bill Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 @F00L What the hell are you talking about 200 health with traits, no you dont get that much health, the boost traits give you 25 health if you buy both of them and that consumes about 25 worth points and the health card is rare and expensive you wont get past level 6 so easily it will probably cost 100k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biohazard Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 Yeah but just how people can upgrade zombies I feel like we should be able to upgrade our humans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth26 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 @F00L Even at 5HP/lvl, it is impossible for humans to get to 200HP. I don't know what you are smoking. Fit+Tough = 35HP (25+10) for 30 (20+10) worth Assuming max health card level is 10 (but what percentage of humans will ACTUALLY have it at level 10...), at 5HP/lvl = 50HP, 3HP/lvl = 30HP, 2HP/lvl = 20HP So with 5HP/lvl, Fit + Tough, and Level 10 Health, a Human can get to 185 HP. Pretty powerful, but not 200HP. With 3HP/lvl, Fit + Tough, and Level 10 Health, a Human gets to 165 HP. With 2HP/lvl, Fit + Tough, and Level 10 Health, this goes to 155 HP. Keep in mind that it costs 30 worth to get both Fit and Tough, which isn't exactly cheap. Also keep in mind that cards are very RNG difficult to collect on top of the insane point cost to upgrade, so the vast majority of the playerbase won't be even near level 10 Health. I know I am only at level 3. And the players who put in the massive amount of time to gather that many Health cards should be rewarded for their effort in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bill Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 @Jareth26 I totally agree with what you are saying, and all we are asking for is to make it 3hp/level again not even 5hp/level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biohazard Posted May 3, 2019 Author Share Posted May 3, 2019 I would love to see it at +4hp since i feel like 3 was kinda bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F00L Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Sorry i was talking about it with armor that gives you 50 my bad guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bill Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 @F00L the armor regenerator costs 45 that drains almost half of your worth menu points so even if they have that much health now, they have lost 45 worth points for other things like demolition and vaccination that could have been more useful than being alive for a few more seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowyamur Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Quote I would love to see it at +4hp since i feel like 3 was kinda bad That would be broken for zombies. Some people on the server have level 5-8 health cards. Making it +4 health/level would mean that players would have roughly +20-30 health, and that wouldn't be fair for zombies, especially if multiple players have that extra health boost, because it'd make them harder to kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bill Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 @Snowyamur, what about 3hp/level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowyamur Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Quote what about 3hp/level? We had that initially for our Health card, and it was hard for zombies to kill humans that were at level 6 with this card. Leaving it at +2 health/ level for the health card is fine and balanced as it is; we don't need to keep switching back and forth with this, nor do we need to keep addressing increases for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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